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ramoth Nov 16, 2006 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Encephalon
SERIOUSLY

Guys, I think you're overlooking one crucial point here. This is LOS ANGELES. People here in California are savages but in Los Angeles they're cannibals. UCLA may be a "prestigious" university but that doesn't mean that the students don't know how to properly initiate violence at the drop of a hat. Trust me on this. If the police took action on the guy there's a good chance that it's one of the pricks I've run into on my numerous visits to the campus who are a little too militant for their own good.

I'll say it again. Rodney King.

packrat Nov 16, 2006 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Encephalon
Japan, buddy. They don't need to kidnap you in the middle of the night in China since their capital punishment policy gives the law enforcement pretty much supreme authority.

Didn't they revise (or are in the process of revising) that policy? I was hearing a lot about it on NPR a while ago, but I don't think I heard about the conclusion to the issue.

ramoth Nov 16, 2006 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Encephalon
Japan, buddy. They don't need to kidnap you in the middle of the night in China since their capital punishment policy gives the law enforcement pretty much supreme authority.

Notice how Deni said countries "close to you". gb2/reading/

Dopefish Nov 16, 2006 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GRUN-1
Can someone please delete that post.

I'm sorry if I want to try and inject humor into the thread.

Paco Nov 16, 2006 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by packrat
Didn't they revise (or are in the process of revising) that policy?

Last I checked capital punishment was still a pretty standard procedure in China, but it's been about a while since I last heard of someone actually getting executed.

mindOverMatter Nov 16, 2006 05:51 PM

I hope that kid sues for a lot

Sir VG Nov 16, 2006 05:56 PM

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Student's name: Mostafa Tabatabainejad
Looking at a name like that, cops must have thought he was working for terrorists.

Good work cops. You're doing our country PROUD! BEAT THOSE TERRORISTS![/sarcasm]

ramoth Nov 16, 2006 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dopefish
I got laid and told people about it. The end.

That's a hilarious story! No one EVER does that.

Actually, nobody does. That shit is stupid and petty and nobody honestly cares.

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Originally Posted by Devoxy
To be honest I wish the cops would tazer more UCLA students. But I guess me and Enceph (and a few others) only know what it's like to interact with So-Cal/UCLA uni students.

Oh god, so many of the assholes from my High School go to USC, it's not even funny.

Paco Nov 16, 2006 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GRUN-1
Oh god, so many of the assholes from my High School go to USC, it's not even funny.

Yeah, but USC is nothing BUT assholes. :/

Iwata Nov 16, 2006 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Denicalis
Yes, because AMERICAN cops make people disappear from their houses over night and they're never seen alive again. AMERICAN cops are the physical threat behind a political wing that serves only as a private murder corps. Jesus, Iwata, you're exaggerating just a little there. Some American cities have a reputation for police brutality, but nothing that can compare to countries you're currently very close to, mate.

I know a few people who've mysterously vanished from society after an altercation with Humboldt county sheriffs and their infamous night raids. I dare your ass to travel to garberville and fuck with the police there. I've even had a friend tazed and arrested at Folsom street Fair by a chick cop simply because he yelled at a dude getting arrested by that cop that his " situation sucked ".

My opinion on police forces are based on personal experience and i've been to HK and mainland china and the cops didn't seem half that bad. Yes, i know that the Chinese have mobile death vehicles and trample over peoples civil rights all the time, but i've never experienced it and you also have to take into account that China has nearly 4 times the amount of people then america does.

Meth Nov 16, 2006 06:29 PM

Wait, so because China has more people, it's ok for them to have "mobile death vehicles and trample over people's civil rights?" And dude, just cause you haven't experienced it, doesn't mean that it's ok.

How is Deni right about everything in this thread?! Unbelievable.

ramoth Nov 16, 2006 06:34 PM

You've never experienced police brutality in China.

You've experience police brutality in America.

Therefore, police are more brutal in America.

QED.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Iwata Nov 16, 2006 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MetheGelfling
Wait, so because China has more people, it's ok for them to have "mobile death vehicles and trample over people's civil rights?" And dude, just cause you haven't experienced it, doesn't mean that it's ok.

How is Deni right about everything in this thread?! Unbelievable.

I never said it was ok or good for what they are doing. I'm vehemently opposed to all forms of capital punishment. I'm simply saying that before you use China as an example for police brutality, you need to take into account that they have 1 billion more people then america. As it is guranteed that if America had the population of China, they would have equal capital punishment and police violence rates as China does nowadays.

It isn't a fair argument to say one country is far more brutal then another when the countrys in question have a population gap that nearly exceeds the 1 billion mark.

Meth Nov 16, 2006 07:00 PM

So, Iwata, since you obviously know... How high does the population have to be in order to justify the type of police violence that the Chinese use?

I fail to see how the level of population is a factor in the ethical question of police brutality.

The vid is disgusting. Nothing more than a bunch of cops pissed off that they didn't go to college. Why couldn't they be elsewhere fighting some crime... I'm sure there's a meth lab somewhere that they could be busting up.

Dopefish Nov 16, 2006 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MetheGelfling
The vid is disgusting. Nothing more than a bunch of cops pissed off that they didn't go to college. Why couldn't they be elsewhere fighting some crime... I'm sure there's a meth lab somewhere that they could be busting up.

Don't you mean "blowing up?" After all, after this incident, that's probably an equivalent amount of police force required for breaking up a meth lab.

Meth Nov 16, 2006 07:05 PM

Too true! If it requires 8 guys tazering the hell out of a kid to get him to leave the library, I'd hate to see what happens if you get pulled over for a speeding ticket.

I'd bet if you keep books overdue from that library, those dudes will give you the chair.

Iwata Nov 16, 2006 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MetheGelfling
So, Iwata, since you obviously know... How high does the population have to be in order to justify the type of police violence that the Chinese use?

I fail to see how the level of population is a factor in the ethical question of police brutality.

The vid is disgusting. Nothing more than a bunch of cops pissed off that they didn't go to college. Why couldn't they be elsewhere fighting some crime... I'm sure there's a meth lab somewhere that they could be busting up.


When someone tries to use china's use of capital punishment as a reason why china's police force is more brutal then america's. Population is a huge factor to take into account when discussing such things like capital punishment and using it to gauge the brutality of the police force.

blue Nov 16, 2006 07:36 PM

That video disturbed me. And I felt so bad for the students, who were visibly upset. And I can't believe when that one guy in the white shirt was talking to the police officer and trying to reason with him (albeit angrily, which is understandable) and ask for his badge number, the officer threatened to tazer him.

What IS tazering, exactly? Clearly it hurts a lot... That was such a disturbing video. Though... why the HECK would the student not leave after being put through that much pain? Was he not physically able to? And weren't some people offering to carry him out and the police refused?

So disturbing. But it's almost kind of cool how the students got together into a mob and a few stepped forward and started yelling at the cops. Clearly they couldn't jump them or anything, or all of 'em would get tazered.

Dopefish Nov 16, 2006 07:38 PM

A Taser is a "less-lethal" weapon which delivers a minor electric shock to someone through a dart or pair of darts (small suckers) attached to wires. They have a trigger to allow the user to deliver the shock, which is usually just enough to incapacitate ("stun") the victim.

Iwata Nov 16, 2006 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by blue
That video disturbed me. And I felt so bad for the students, who were visibly upset. And I can't believe when that one guy in the white shirt was talking to the police officer and trying to reason with him (albeit angrily, which is understandable) and ask for his badge number, the officer threatened to tazer him.

What IS tazering, exactly? Clearly it hurts a lot... That was such a disturbing video. Though... why the HECK would the student not leave after being put through that much pain? Was he not physically able to? And weren't some people offering to carry him out and the police refused?

So disturbing. But it's almost kind of cool how the students got together into a mob and a few stepped forward and started yelling at the cops. Clearly they couldn't jump them or anything, or all of 'em would get tazered.

A tazer is a gun-like apparatus that fires dart-like electrodes that basically elecrocute the reciever of these darts with a certain amount of voltage that incapacitates the victim for a period of time.

Having talked to various victims of tazers, getting tazed takes away all your sense of balance. So you really can't stand up at all for at least 5-10 minutes after the last voltage charge you're body recieved.

Dopefish Nov 16, 2006 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Iwata
A tazer is a gun-like apparatus that fires dart-like electrodes that basically elecrocute the reciever of these darts with a certain amount of voltage that incapacitates the victim for a period of time.

It's actually the amperage that does the trick, not the voltage.

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Nov 16, 2006 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GRUN-1
This is why I hate cops.

Yeah I was being sarcastic. Cops like this are the worst, and the main reason people hate the police.

Also.
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Originally Posted by Iwata
When someone tries to use china's use of capital punishment as a reason why china's police force is more brutal then america's. Population is a huge factor to take into account when discussing such things like capital punishment and using it to gauge the brutality of the police force.

In 2004, China performed 3400 executions, accounting for 90% of executions worldwide. Last I checked, China didn't account for 90% of the world's population.


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