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PattyNBK Aug 14, 2006 06:46 PM

Jack Thompson is a total douchebag! As I usually do, I point to Japan. They have far more stuff in video games than we do (both with violence and sexuality), and yet they aren't any worse off than we are when it comes to real-life violence. Heck, if anything, they're doing better than we are!

Plain and simple, good parenting can prevent most of the problems. The real reason behind violence with kids is a lack of good parenting, not violence in video games. There just isn't any proof supporting the theory that video game violence causes real-life violence. None.

Dan Aug 14, 2006 08:59 PM

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Since people have mention school shootings I have to mention this. As I mentioned in my first post Jack Thompson is not helping keep our children out of harms way as the title of his little vanity book declares. He is in fact putting our children at greater risk for school violence. Preaching in behalf of a law he helped draft he told the Louisiana legislator that according to the FBI and Secret Service reports on school shootings video games media was the one common denominator in school violence he reported those sentiments in www.shreveporttimes.com article: http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/...plate=printart and on other occasion he and other have gone as far as to specifically say videogame were the cause of school shootings. This quite simple false the FBI never said this they in fact, said their was no common demonolater and contraindicated any approach that tries to look for a single denominator. Here is a post I made at game politics the day JT wrote this piece of manipulative trash: http://gamepolitics.livejournal.com/...6530#t23346530 but don’t believe me here are link to the studies Mister Thompson calms he has read:

The secret service’s report: www.treasury.gov/usss/ntac/ssi_final_report.pdf
The FBI’s report: www.fbi.gov/publications/school/school2.pdf

Now, let me ask you a question? Let say your child has a problem and the top experts in medicine say that a certain approach should be taken. You would trust those expert correct? Now let say some guy told you an approach those medical experts specifically said NOT to do was not only to treat this disease would you trust him? Of course not! Now imagine that want that this same person wants to make this approach in to lie? Would this not seem ludicrous? Now imagine that he has already has a bunch of law makers that support him. Would this not frighten you? Yet this is exactly what Jack Thompson is doing right now.

Considering this is an important issue I feel the need to make it as abundantly clear how warped these people logic is and how ultimately productive they are. So attached below is a 4 page deconstruction I wrote up for a now purged forum detailing how wrapped these media critics logic is. Whew! Did mean to say so much here but hopeful someone will be just little more enlightened because of it.

JackyBoy Aug 14, 2006 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PattyNBK
Jack Thompson is a total douchebag! As I usually do, I point to Japan. They have far more stuff in video games than we do (both with violence and sexuality), and yet they aren't any worse off than we are when it comes to real-life violence. Heck, if anything, they're doing better than we are!

Plain and simple, good parenting can prevent most of the problems. The real reason behind violence with kids is a lack of good parenting, not violence in video games. There just isn't any proof supporting the theory that video game violence causes real-life violence. None.

This viewpoint is flawed because it doesn't explain why there are some instances of families with two or more children where only one of the children grow up to be aggresive or violent whereas the remaining children all grow up to be "normal".

As for your comment about Japan, that's well known to be a matter of culture. North America uses retribution as punishment where Japan uses shaming. And believe you me, little boys and girls do not want to piss off poppa bear.

Infernal Monkey Aug 14, 2006 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PattyNBK
Jack Thompson is a total douchebag! As I usually do, I point to Japan. They have far more stuff in video games than we do (both with violence and sexuality), and yet they aren't any worse off than we are when it comes to real-life violence. Heck, if anything, they're doing better than we are!

Sexual stuff, sure. What with their tentacle rape puzzle games and naked sky diving or whatever. But violence, Japan randomly censors stuff all the time. Dead Rising was heavily censored even with their 'Z' rating. Resident Evil 4 wouldn't let you blow heads clean off, either. Even if a chainsaw dude got you, the head would still stay on. All of the House of the Dead games had green blood. =x

But then there's stuff like Metal Slug which has red blood in Japan and SALIVA in America. DON'T CUT ME HOOOLY SHIT MY SPIT. So silly.

Dan Aug 16, 2006 10:47 PM

Saw this today it is good for a laugh, Thompson is suing to get an early version of Bully. Red herring, lies, straw man arguments, non-sequester arguments, grammar mistakes, and everything else you’ve come to expect from Jack abound.

http://gamepolitics.livejournal.com/...age=2#comments

Yes, John Bruce the courts are going to violate that whole no prior restraint thing and that whole due process thing and force Rock star to send you a private citizen an unfinished copy of the game just so you can find out what you think of it. Get a grip John Bruce. I could write out a long explanation for how legally ludicrous his request is but I think we can all figure it out, I wonder how judges deal with having guy like Jack continually insult their intelligence with this kind tripe.

This has been your moron in Miami update.

The Plane Is A Tiger Aug 21, 2006 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Infernal Monkey
Sexual stuff, sure. What with their tentacle rape puzzle games and naked sky diving or whatever. But violence, Japan randomly censors stuff all the time. Dead Rising was heavily censored even with their 'Z' rating. Resident Evil 4 wouldn't let you blow heads clean off, either. Even if a chainsaw dude got you, the head would still stay on. All of the House of the Dead games had green blood. =x

But then there's stuff like Metal Slug which has red blood in Japan and SALIVA in America. DON'T CUT ME HOOOLY SHIT MY SPIT. So silly.

I've always heard that the House of the Dead games had red blood in Japan, and the green blood was a silly censorship in every other version. That's why they put a cheat, at least in the Sega Saturn NTSC version, to activate the red blood.


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