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Xellos Oct 12, 2006 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Miles
It's not always a negative effect for your group. You have to look at the effects to determine it yourself. Anyway, here is how it works. Sealstones placed on a Dais effect alll the enemies within the area. So if it says Area Effect: Fire damage 150% Ice damage 1/2 that means all the enemies' fire attacks do more damage while thier ice damage is halfed. If you carry the sealstone then you gain these effects. What you wanna do is put negative effects on the dais to make your battles easier. Like switching the fire with the ice damage 150% fire damage down 1/2 in an area where enemies only cast fire spells will give you a big advantage.

Most of the time stat boosters start on the Dais and usually you wanna keep these in your parties hand, or at least away from the Dais so the enemy can't get the effects. Placing negative effects on the Dais will also make your battles and boss fights much easier. If an enemy carries a sealstone it only effects that group of enemies. By defeating it you can take it yourself.

Shells are useful for neutralizing the effects of a sealstone. Like sometimes there would be sealstones that give enemies great boosts but screw your party over. Like Attack 200% but cannot access battle menu or heal. The negatives don't really effect the enemies but they could make battles worse for you. These are best dropped on a shell to deactivate it so the negatives don't effect your party anymore.

The springs can be used to grab sealstones you purchased with magic gems. You'll want to buy ones like Experience X2 and attack 120% so you can pull them out at any dungeon. Just keep in mind that the gems are kinda hard to build up early in the game, so spend them wisely.

As for skills, learn training as soon as you can. It makes leveling up so much quicker!
Training eh? I'll check into that. My guys are level 20 now and just beat the kraken. Am I a bit on track?

I got that forcefield 100 for a few hours but was too late unfortunately. Mobs were already doing more then a 100. I should try to get the 1000 or 5000 asap.

I was planning on getting the generate health skill for everyone, should I forget about that one and just go for training then?

Another question. All my guys have weapons that can do a soul crush, but none of them has one that adds 60+ energy to the gauge. what characters can? Was hoping good old Arngrim still added 80 energy like in VP1 but he only does 46. Didn't see any item or skill that doubles energy gauge like in VP1.

Spatula Oct 12, 2006 09:25 AM
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Never got bored of fighting, so the whole level grinding issue everyone bitches about doesn't bother me at all.
Ditto, it's fun and it's very fast if you know what you're doing. Hell now basically most of my guys are overpowered now. At least what I when returning to a certain location where one of your first dungeons are.

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Didn't see any item or skill that doubles energy gauge like in VP1.
I don't know about doubling, but if you get the HEAT UP skill, that takes 4 slots, it can usually help get even a party of three members to get 100 hits. Just get someone with a weapon that hits 2 or 3 times with it, like Alicia, and generally most battles you can easily score 100 hits. People I know that will get to 100 on the 3rd combo chain when you're down to 40 are Alicia and Rufus (this guy is awesome to continiue the soul break chain and I always put him 3rd in line). I haven't done much with the Einherhars so I'm not familiar with them >_>

Lionking-Cyan Oct 12, 2006 09:34 AM
Is the gameplay better than the psx episode? Coming from so2, i was really disappointed from so3 :doh: .

Cetra Oct 12, 2006 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Xellos
Training eh? I'll check into that. My guys are level 20 now and just beat the kraken. Am I a bit on track?

I got that forcefield 100 for a few hours but was too late unfortunately. Mobs were already doing more then a 100. I should try to get the 1000 or 5000 asap.

I was planning on getting the generate health skill for everyone, should I forget about that one and just go for training then?

Another question. All my guys have weapons that can do a soul crush, but none of them has one that adds 60+ energy to the gauge. what characters can? Was hoping good old Arngrim still added 80 energy like in VP1 but he only does 46. Didn't see any item or skill that doubles energy gauge like in VP1.
Health Regeneration, in my opinion, is the best skill in the game. I put it on every character and used it all the way though the end of the game. As a result I don't think I used any health potions outside of the few needed in some boss battles and hardly ever had to cast heal on anyone. Being you gain health when attacking, moving or being attacked, it can really reduce the overall damage the part takes. Toward the end of the game I was easily regening 1000 hp for everyone just by attacking.

Also I wouldn't consider training worthwhile early in the game. 50% extra exp isn't very much considering the small amount of exp enemies give until the end of chapter three, plus the -20% to stats early in the game can make things more difficult than the skill is worth.

Spatula Oct 12, 2006 01:21 PM
I just use training while obviously grinding on easy enemies. After that take off that skill for sure. For Health Regeneration, I'm only getting like +32 hp for Alicia? How did you get 1000? Unless I'm doing another skill (not first aid).

Cetra Oct 12, 2006 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Spatula
I just use training while obviously grinding on easy enemies. After that take off that skill for sure. For Health Regeneration, I'm only getting like +32 hp for Alicia? How did you get 1000? Unless I'm doing another skill (not first aid).
Well I was getting 60-70 hp per toward the end of the game and in a full attack chain the skill easily goes off 15+ times. Heck, you usually get 2-3 ticks of regen alone in the cooldown time after your attack around.

Spatula Oct 12, 2006 01:58 PM
Ah!! 1000 cumulative, yeah I get a couple hundred as well. I thought it was like 1000 per tick, DAMN! basically you'd be invincible.

Single Elbow Oct 12, 2006 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Xellos
Another question. All my guys have weapons that can do a soul crush, but none of them has one that adds 60+ energy to the gauge. what characters can? Was hoping good old Arngrim still added 80 energy like in VP1 but he only does 46. Didn't see any item or skill that doubles energy gauge like in VP1.
Put Alicia/Rufus in the party (my usual) and just simply let the first character deal the damage (example is Leone), then Alicia, then Rufus (Like said, Rufus is great because he deals high AP contribution) then your final character (I found Arngrim is great for this simply because he can dish out good amount of damage until someone can do it better).

Also I got the training skill and now learning Precision Parry. Next, Health Regen. Getting sweeter.

Spatula Oct 12, 2006 08:24 PM
Wow, up to chapter 5!

Chapter 4:
Chapter 4 was short, but so crucial the story. Lol Dylan. I'd hate to see it but I honestly didn't see it with Leone and Dylan.


Also with the main cast at end of Chapter 3 and up:

Also, when you power up your guys enough (level up as stated earlier) and the main cast leaves your party, I noticed that all the weapons and armour are returned to your inventory, so you don't have to worry about lost forevers, thank god. Since I have my Bahamuts Tear with Dylan when he left.


Futhermore, this is the stage where I'm doing an ALL EINHERJAR (no Rufus or Alicia) party. I have Xehnon and Falx and two other dudes. All around level 40, but basically have no skills yet!

Aquas Oct 12, 2006 11:24 PM
I personally only had Regen on one of my final party characters. I used toughnes and double edge, mainly. Or toughness and a combination of lesser skills. But before I got toughness, regen is pretty darn good.

Single Elbow Oct 13, 2006 11:39 AM
Sweet. Jessica from Nethov jumped from level 4 to 13 in 3 battles with the Experience Pig Law and the Equal XP division. Awesome. Will stay at this place until I get my main party members to about 40-ish or so.

I have Psychosoma but was wondering how it works.

Cetra Oct 13, 2006 12:54 PM
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I have Psychosoma but was wondering how it works.
It combines your attack and magic values to be used as your actual attack power. I actually used this skill with Alicia as she had a really high magic rating.

Basically if you have an physical attack value of 500 and a magic attack value of 500, your actual attack value in battle will be 1000.

Aquas Oct 13, 2006 12:54 PM
It adds the value of your ATK and MAG together to create a stronger attack. I believe.

Spatula Oct 13, 2006 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Terminus
Sweet. Jessica from Nethov jumped from level 4 to 13 in 3 battles with the Experience Pig Law and the Equal XP division. Awesome. Will stay at this place until I get my main party members to about 40-ish or so.

I have Psychosoma but was wondering how it works.
So you in the land of crabs and bread, amirite? Thank Scarletdeath for that tip. Pyschosoma? Cool.

Aquas Oct 13, 2006 01:25 PM
I put Psychosoma on Alicia because she had a high MAG value at one point.

Vash Oct 13, 2006 05:55 PM
Oi, the final boss is a pain in me arse, help! Anyone have a strategy that's better than Gamefaqs'?

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My party is Alicia (68), Rufus (65), Arngrim (59), and Adonis (66). According to Gamefaqs, Lezard (or "Transendental Being") is level 63, so I should be in good shape, right? His stupid shield thing is annoying, and he hits hard. Every time I try to smack a combo on him, he Teleports to another part of the room. Just now though, after Rufus and Arngrim died and only Alicia and Adonis were left, I actually landed a combo on him and broke his shield, but I didn't have enough AP left to really hurt Lenneth's crystal prison thing. Anyone have any tips? I still have Mithra's water item thing that deals 10,000 damage, and I was saving it for the final fight...should I use it here? If so, when?

Jujubee Oct 14, 2006 12:19 AM
Vash

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You might want to try keeping him close to the crystal, or split your party and have 2-3 people on the crystal and Alicia on Lezard. The way I did it is I spent about half my AP on Lezard to break the barrier then the other half on the crystal. You can't Soul Crush the crystal so don't worry about doing combos, just damage it with what you have. Whatever you do, DON'T spend all your AP on Lezard just to break his defense, and especially, DON'T try to kill him. You might want to use an Overdrive. When the Barrier is down you can move around a little to build some AP (10-15 more AP) then blow it all on the crystal. Or you could use the Mithra water on the crystal, I never tried that. Be warned though the second round of the final battle is pretty tough also. Only one of your characters will be able to do full damage.

Spatula Oct 14, 2006 02:36 AM
Well I'm onto Chapter 5. You know, even with the ultra powerful weapons, my guys aren't exactly still parading through Asgard as easily as one might think. Actually, the weapons are the saving grace of how I've made it this far. Everything looks so nice ^___^.

Duminas Oct 14, 2006 04:09 AM
Not sure if this would be spoilerish or not, so I will err on the side of caution:

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When you're going about levelling Arngrim and Leone to 40 at the end of Chapter 3, about which point did you guys move from Crawsus to the Palace of the Venerated Dragon? I have them at 26 each, and I'm still having a bit of trouble with Crawsus enemies.

That is, I can't reliably get the hit gauge to 100, and those two alone do such paltry damage with Training active. The skills are Training, Fortify Physique, and Fists of Iron on each of them. Leone has a Flame... something (got it in the Palace) and Anrgrim has an Elemental Edge.

Am I missing something here, or just too weak as yet?

Dizzy Oct 14, 2006 05:21 AM
Just finished the game.

Minor Spoiler
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It kinda let me down the fact that there is no fmv ending. Anyways, i really like how it ended, muuuuch better than the previous game. Valkyrie Profile: Hirst /Lenneth 2 coming like wut...


Vash
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Just stay behind the cristal and attack it with full force. Avoid attacking with Rufus, since he does little damage (at least my Rufus). It will take a while to break the crystal, so don't panic. Keep Lezard between you and the crystal and you'll be fine.


The game is so damn beautiful. Even after you get used to the graphics, you're still amazed how they are getting better and better. I specially love the Asgard plains.

For the ones that have finished the game, is there a voice collection hidden somewhere? I was hoping to unlock something like that. Stange that didn't have one, specially coming from a Tri-Ace game.

I'll stop playing for now (maybe a week or so).
I played so much in so little time that i even had dreams about it (that would be an interesting thread to make :edgartpg: ).

Antignition Oct 14, 2006 06:22 AM
Well I, for one, thought the ending was pretty damn terrible, there was very little to no closure. I was pretty upset over it since the story itself was so damn good. Maybe it's because I didn't play the first one...eh.

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But apparently this ending creates a time paradox or some crap, where in the time dimension for VP2 the first game couldn't even happen.



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And I thought the first transcendential being was laughably easy, with the Upped Tolerance sealstone, and having toughness on all of my guys (Alicia, Adonis, Brahms, and Rufus all around 52), he seriously couldn't hurt my group enough for me to care about avoiding his range at all. The hard part was the very last battle when alicia changes to valkyrie, making my group have no healer, and having valkyrie being the only one who can do any damage. Eventually I just let the rest of the party die, and without them eating the AP the battle was actually easier, even without her SC. What a terrible idea for an ending battle.


The game was great but the way it ended really disappointed me.


And something I never quite understood:
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Brahms said that he combine souls with the original einherjar Dylan or whatever, but then he comes out as Brahms during the conclusion to chapter 4, so..1. Was "Dylan" completely Brahms "personality wise" (i.e. Simply just Brahms in disguise) or was the original einherjar Dylan also present? and 2. If they combined souls and Brahms comes back during the conclusion to chapter 4...uh...what happened to the original einherjar Dylan?

Spatula Oct 14, 2006 12:51 PM
Well, I'm in Yggdrasil and I'm saying hi to Belldandy, Skuld, and Urd. Um, how do you get past this stage? Stupid air vents blowing me up. ;___;

Dizzy Oct 14, 2006 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Spatula
Well, I'm in Yggdrasil and I'm saying hi to Belldandy, Skuld, and Urd. Um, how do you get past this stage? Stupid air vents blowing me up. ;___;
You need to get two orbs, one makes your photons rebound 4 times, and the other makes your photons able to break those dams crystals (including the ones that makes you fly).

Single Elbow Oct 14, 2006 06:01 PM
Thanking Scarletdeath for tip.

Also just at Chapter 4.

Spoiler:
While I was aware that Leone has similarities with Hrist, it just surprised the heck out of me when she really revealed it. Like whoa, from Alicia's face.

Tip though. While it has been said and done in this thread before, release Leone and Arngrim past 40. Leone will impart Slashing Sword "Farewell" (if you release her at level 35) and Valkyrie Favor (level 40 release) which is sweet, since Favor alone has 600 ATK. For Arngrim, I suppose departure at 35 gives you a Improved Dragonslayer while at 40 imparts with a Bahamut Tear. Just stating the very obvious, I know.


I ended Chapter 3 with Ally, Ruf, Dyl at level 51. I know. :(

Vash Oct 14, 2006 07:39 PM
Ok, phase 1 of the final boss is a synch, but the second phase blows!
Spoiler:
Why does my Alicia, who's now level 80, get reverted back to level 55 when she becomes Valkyrie? If she just stayed at level 80 this probably wouldn't be a problem. I let Rufus and Arngrim die off because only Valkyrie and Adonis do good damage (I even 'broke' Lezard at one point...was kind of shocked, but it didn't put me ahead by too much). I get more then halfway through Lezard's HP, and the last time I tried he didn't use the Nameless something-or-other spell for a long time, but that alone is what makes me lose. Someone give me strategy lol, I don't know why this fight is so hard when I'm like 10 levels higher than him!


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