Because it's.. a next generation console and you're playing retro games on it. Lemmings is far, far superior with a mouse, but I won't get into that. It seems kind of pointless Sony making Linux compatible with the PS3 so you can play Lemmings and shit like that.

They could of, you know, just shoved the game in as a built-in one. Considering how powerful the PS3 will be, it wouldn't take up much space at all.

I merely wanted to know if the inclusion of Linux would appeal to those not familiar with it (me). And it sounds like it's through Linux that we can have some homebrew applications for PS3, which would be pretty nice, as long as Sony doesn't try to put a stop with it through security updates like they do with the PSP.

If anything, I hope this means I'll be able to make my own background, and other customized OS preferences. I'd love to be able to create my own startup/shutdown music.

On the topic of Lemmings... why is PSP getting a Lemmings game and the DS is not? That hardly makes sense considering the DS would provide much better control for such a game. And really why do they even think PSP owners would be a good target audience for that kind of a game anyway?

Holy hell, Lemmings for DS is a fantastic thought. Probably thought of before, obviously, but I'm not sure how it would work.

You'd need to have the touchscreen act as a cursor, so the map would be on the bottom screen, and the different selections would probably also be on the bottom screen. So, whatever fits on the top screen, I don't know.

I'd like to know how Lemmings PSP works as well. Gamespot provides useless.

Lemmings for PSP is just regular Lemmings with prettier graphics controlled with the nub. There might be some way to switch command types with the face buttons to make it easier and probably L and R scroll the map. The only thing PSP has going for it besides fancy graphics and oh god it's a freaking Lemmings game whoopee for graphics is that the PSP has a nice wide screen.

For the DS it would probably be a very simple matter. Top screen would show a zoomed out version of most of the map plus all stats. Bottom screen would have abilities to quickly choose from and maybe number of ability use left and the main screen action. Simply tapping on Lemmings would activate their ability. To move the main screen you could do a couple different things. Hold L or R and then tap the screen and drag to move or tap a button on the screen to zoom out quickly, reposition, and zoom back in or the directional pad or anything else you can come up with. There's a lot that can be done with camera. I think a selection box should be displayed on the zoomed out view on the top screen and you just control where that box goes with the dpad. Anyway Lemmings would work extremely well on the DS. Better than PSP in my opinion.

Okay, listen. I hate the PSP too. But there's no reason to go flying off the hook about how much it sucks - it's stating the obvious. Hell, if companies are stopping UMD movies for it, there's definitely a sign. However, the PSP has advantages over the DS such as emulation which is superior to the GP2X.

Along with a few actual PSP titles, such as DJMAX, Taiko no Tatsujin Portaboloo, Popolocrois and Breath of Fire III which are worth buying, there isn't much else out there. It's still good for emulation, if you're incapable of enjoying emulated games on a Gamepark, xbox or PC.

I don't own a PSP, and I probably wouldn't ever buy a PSP since there's so much fuss over it in regards to dead pixels, but it isn't an outright bad thing to own. I'd like to see how Popolocrois ran on a DS.

I'm enjoying my DS thoroughly due to the range of games, and the range of kickass GBA games which I can play on it thanks to backwards compatibility. The PS3 will be the same, as there's a massive load of PS2 games worth buying.

That's why it's outselling the DS in America, right? Or maybe it's because it's like cheese you can listen to outside.

Nobody said there wouldn't be a DS Lemmings. Not like it's exclusive or anything.

How the fduck did a thread on the discussion about PS3 get turned into a whinefest over lemmings on PSP and started by a mod even. Nice derailing...

Anyway if you search this thread you'll find some nice vids of different PS3 demonstrations with developer talking from GDC.

lol, america.

It isn't the portability in the PSP which I care about, it's the emulation and few games. If the DS could handle SNES emulation without a long and complicated process, I'd be all for that, too.

Most people aren't buying their PSP's solely for games. If they were, well, within that lies the DS customers. People buy PSP's for it's potential as an international potable media center shit brick. So it isn't entirely a soulless handheld.

It isn't a bad handheld. It's just doing poorly.

Why did you bring that up? I wasn't flaming the PSP; just stating truths. Anyone who's played Lemmings for SNES can tell you that it wasn't as good as Lemmings 2 for SNES. Why? Because Lemmings doesn't work very well with a gamepad. It works best with a mouse, and Lemmings 2 for SNES used the Mario Paint mouse for control. Be it nub or dpad for PSP, the DS' touchscreen wins by default in the case of Lemmings. End of story.

Also, I wouldn't buy a PSP for portable emulation. I enjoy playing emulated games which most of the time are SNES games with an actual SNES controller displayed on my big 24 inch lcd screen or to the television which is even bigger. Besides, I'd have to go through all that firmware bullshit if I bought a PSP now to do that.

Anyway since you've gotten me in the mood now, let's look at your list of AMAZING PSP titles.

DJMAX probably plays better with a keyboard on a computer like you've shown us in your journal than the clusterfuck of scattered face buttons that just doesn't translate well to me for a game of beatmania.

Portable Taiko? You look me in the face and tell me this is more fun without the actual drums.

I'd rather watch both Popolocrois anime series than play the RPGs but I'm interested in it so-so just on recognition factor alone. I'm sure the DS could more than handle the sprite graphics of Popolocrois. Even the N64 and PSX could pull off the fancy battle effects going on in that game so the DS shouldn't have issues there. The problem the DS might have is with music and fmv but that's nothing some well done compression can't fix. That game would probably do better on a console in any case if it weren't that it already has done well on a console.

Breath of Fire III? I never really played Breath of Fire but if you're a fan of the series then I suppose a remake of a PSX game would be good. Meanwhile I think I'll play Children of Mana whenever that makes it over here.

If you own a PSP, a large memory stick, and can flash the bios or whatever in order to download and play SNES games on your PSP it's more than likely that you a) own a PC and b) your PC can run SNES games perfectly fine. I've been doing SNES emulation ever since I've had a Pentium II with 80 GB of storage and probably even earlier so don't give me that bullshit. If you can't enjoy it with a keyboard then pluck down 20 bucks for either a USB gamepad or a Super SmartJoy (SNES to USB Adapter) and an SNES controller in the case you're a heathen and don't own one already.


Don't get me wrong. The PSP has enormous potential but so far it's not been used all that much in its game lineup. I only see 4 games for it that might interest me so far. It would take at least 8 must-have PSP exclusive games and a great future lineup AND a price drop to get me to buy a PSP otherwise I'd be wasting my money.


Right now I see the PSP getting bought by three kinds of people.

There are the hip mainstreamers which Sony has hook line and sinker with cool racing games, gang GTA-style games, and various sport titles.

Second are the hardcore Sony fans who are just eating anything they can get which so far I hope is just Lumines, Wipeout, Jak, and maybe GTA and a few others.

And third are the people that I think Sony didn't expect and are eating a large chunk of system purchases. These would be people who use it as a portable media player via the memory stick. The PSP and the video iPod were EVERYWHERE at film festivals like Sundance. They would use them to show people their films, music, or anything else in their portfolios. The PSP is a dream for these guys and I have high respect for the machine in that regard.



I believe the above explains that, but I'm pretty sure the DS is selling better worldwide and if not it still has a much better game lineup than PSP.

Also I have to hand it to Sony's marketing team. They really know how to do a good campaign. The squirrels, baseballs, mice, etc. were a really good move. More of that and less of throwing the PSP around to random people acting like it can actually take that sort of abuse.

While this is true, my point still stands that it would be a better move to make it for DS. Reason number one is for gameplay and reason number two is money. It would cost MUCH less to make it for DS and you'd have a better audience to sell it to.



Whinefest? =/

I was simply being logical. I wouldn't mind Lemmings being on PSP if it were also on DS. Tons of games are being multiplatformed for both systems. It doesn't make sense for Lemmings to not be on DS while being on a system with inferior control for such a game. That's all.

And if you read the last page or so you'd understand how the conversation drifted to Lemmings on PSP. It started with people talking about Linux on PS3 and how adaptable the OS is and then sega.co.jp came in with the following tidbit:Then he later linked to a wiki which showed how many things Lemmings had been on. When I read that I was rather confused as to why it was not on DS while it was on PSP. Some stupid stuff later and here we are. Was that too hard to follow, Kensaki? There's a big difference between transitioning and derailing. So what was that statement about? Were you legitimately confused or were you member moderating? Dear me, I do hope it wasn't the latter.

I'm pretty sure downgrading to 1.5 from 2.0(which is the standard, as far as I know) isn't a hassle. What about the SNES games which were rereleased for the GBA, or GBA games in general? Don't you play them because of how small the screen is?

You seem to have no trouble with the DS' screen size, yet you're picking to pieces the PSP which has a larger screen.

='D You definitely don't own a Taiko title. The drum I have(which isn't a fault, it's throughout every single drum) is unresponsive, and you need to smack it quite hard for a response. I mean you actually need to hit it with quite force. I've enjoyed Taiko games on my PS2 with a controller. So yes, Acer, Taiko without drums is fun.

Also, I noticed you mentioned 8 must-have titles. The DS doesn't even have that yet. What's the comparison in there? I can think of Ouendan, Phoenix Wright, Bomberman DS, Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow, Jump! Superstars, Tetris DS, let's say Animal Crossing, Mario Kart DS. Except that list is invalid because Bomberman DS is a personal favorite of mine; Jump! Superstars and Ouendan are both imported. Not every person is going to want to play the must-have titles; not every person likes what everyone else does. How many people do you think bought a 360 for Oblivion, even though there'll be some who aren't interested in other 360 titles?

So yeah. I wouldn't say that 8 must-have PSP titles is a requirement, but more an exaggeration. I know you're biased, so I won't continue. I have a DS and no interest in the PSP myself but at least I'll give it the benefit of the doubt.

so i herd the ps3 wos gonna play games?

Edit: I'm not going to derail this thread anymore, there's been enough of that. It's funny how if this were the PSP Discussion thread this conversation would never of taken place. But yeah, you're entitled to your opinion, as am I, yet I can tell from your words that you're mostly centering on what the DS needs and has, instead of what the PSP already has and could possibly get. Positive before negative, sir.

Look I won't lie to you, if I had a PSP and a good size memory stick I'd probably play SNES games on it too but it wouldn't be in my list of reasons to pick up a PSP. I hear that SNES emulation is only so-so anyway.
I'd rather play the originals unless the new GBA games feature a lot of extras. Yoshi's Island for SNES is better than Yoshi's Island for GBA. The only cool thing the GBA version has over the original is some extra levels. The original is better in every other regard. I don't see the point you're trying to make here.

Funny, I don't recall doing that. The PSP's screen is gorgeous. If I remember anything that might have given you that suspicion it might have been that I said that the only thing PSP offers to Lemmings is better graphics and a wider screen than DS. The DS' screens put together add up to something close to the PSP's screen. However they aren't as bright or adjustable as PSP's. That's changed of course with DSlite. I'm happy with both systems screens now, thank you.

Alright, but my question was whether or not Taiko was better without working functional drums. I've played both Donkey Konga and Donkey Kong Jungle Beat on cube and while they do work with controllers they definitely are not as much fun as using the bongos.

lol what? Are you even kidding me? The DS has too many good games to buy right now. Let me make a stupid list of games I have or am interested in: Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow, Jump! Superstars, Animal Crossing: Wild World, Mario Kart DS, Kirby Canvas Curse, Trauma Center: Under the Knife, Feel the Magic: XY/XX, The Rub Rabbits, Sonic Rush, Nintendogs, Metroid Prime Hunters, New Super Mario Bros., The Legend of Zelda: The Phantom Hourglass, Super Princess Peach, Lost in Blue, Children of Mana, Brain Age, Electroplankton, Contact, Ganbare Goemon, Meteos, Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time, Trace Memory, Viewtiful Joe: Double Trouble, Dai Gassou! Band Brothers. That's twenty-seven games right there! I think the DS was well worth it's purchase for the games I have to choose from.
That's retarded. I'm interested in the Katamari game for PSP. Should that be invalid because like Bomberman for you Katamari is a personal favorite of mine too? =/

Besides you have the second Bomberman game for DS to look forward to since it will use the Nintendo Wifi Connection. =)

Discount the import titles in my list and we're still talking a lot of great games here.

Right now I'd buy Oblivion for PC but that's because my PC can handle it. In any case I won't buy a 360 right now for the same reason I didn't buy an Xbox until two years after it was released: too expensive and not enough good games to garner a purchase. The same applies for PSP.

I'm not buying something at that price that isn't giving me enough games that I want to play, period. Perhaps if I had a lot of money it would be different but I don't so I want my entertainment dollar going places where it will actually useful.
I see you read very little of my last post. =/

The DS has given me what I want to the extent that it's breaking my wallet and I can't get enough. How is that biased? The PSP offers me a whole lot but not in regards to gaming. I'm sure I'll get a PSP one day when the price has dropped and there plenty of games that I want to be had.

yah i hurd thet too

I’m pretty sure Sony doesn’t put “It emulates all your favorite SNES games for free!” on the feature list. Again, you must have missed my last post. I’ve stated that the PSP has a lot of potential and that its media features have done some great things for people. While that’s great and all it sure as hell isn’t getting me to plunk down $250 for one so what’s your point?

Here's a relevent question that might get the thread back on track:
The PS3 is WiFi enabled. What does this mean? Will it pick up a signal from a wirless router without an extra adapter? Or does this only mean it can communicate with the PSP (which is useless)?
Thoughts??

Yep, it'll pick up WiFi signals without any extra equipment, and I do remember it being stated that it can connect with the PSP wirelessly as well.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/04/05/sc...-to-599-euros/

PS3 to cost $500. It's over.

{S The Stage of Apocalypse - Ace Combat Zero

...Why is it that every pricing "slip" comes from SCEE? I remember way back one of the VPs mentioned another price in yen hoping the press wouldn't figure out the exchange rates between currency to get the $ amount.

I call fake just like that concept controller. E3's going to be interesting, I'll give you that.

Don't forget about Tetris.

Everyone knows that Europe always gets the shaft when it comes to pricing.

Hey, why was the Lemmings discussion ended? I'm sure it had something to do with PS3.

Take it out to the PSP thread.

I had some questions regarding the features PS3 can implement for PS1/PS2 games. Anyone have any idea what enhancements we can look forward to?

Another thought occures; in your opinion, what would be the best place to reserve a PS3? Gamestop seems like a given, but what about stores like Best Buy? Does one store offer better service or warranty as opposed to the other?

This late into the game now? Do you actually have something on that subject to discuss or are you member moderating? Either way I'd hoped all that has needed to be said on that subject has been said. =/

I'd like to know how the PS3 will read old memory cards for PSX and PS2 games. I certainly wouldn't want to lose all that great data and I certainly don't see any slots on the machine for those cards. Perhaps an adapter that links to the system via USB to transfer memory card data but other than that I can't think of how they're handling that. Does anyone have any information for this?

No actually I was trying to make the point that almost every notable console system ever released had either DOOM or Lemmings officially ported to it. But if they don't port either game, I'm sure someone will hack it so you can play it on the system.

I'm certain they'd at least come up with an adaptor, but hopefully it won't come to that. The feature should be available from the start without throwing away extra cash. I'm sure they have this figured out.

Agreed, if Sony states they want full compatibility with the PS1/PS2 games and hardware, this is a must.
Of course if they let the HDD emulate PS1/PS2 memory cards, I'm all for that too.

Yeah that's why I stated that at least some way of transferring you PSX and PS2 games to the PS3 must be possible preferably as painlessly as possible.