Whoa there Acer -- that's more hatred than I've ever seen you fume before.

I preorder games I really want far, far ahead of their release date, and in some instances before a true release is ever given. I don't have any particular reason for doing it other than I don't have to worry about getting my copy or my spot in line, as it would be with something like TP.

For major releases, it really is a bad idea to wait one week in advance. More than once I've seen Gamestop/EB Games stop taking reservations as far as two weeks before a game's release, as supply can no longer meet demand for that particular store.

You have a bad experience with this sorta thing or something?

I'm annoyed that Nintendo delayed the GC version. They made the GC owners wait long enough. There's no excuse for breaking their promise.

Maybe they think by delaying it a few more people will go ahead and spring for a WII because they can't possibly wait one more moment for the game.

The only 'promise' they made is that it would still come out on GC.

zelda or not, im not shelling out 250$ plus $50 for one game.

I want it for the cube, so i have no choice but to wait.

Nice try nintendo, I know you are just delaying it so more ppl will buy the Wii.. just to play zelda. It may work on some, but not me.

Yeah, how stupid of them to run a business profitably.

I can get if you want the GC version and you are mad for it being like a year late, but you can wait another fucking week, can't you?

No, I just think it's stupid for people to be complaining about preorders; especially ones that aren't set in stone. I can understand preordering consoles or maybe even handhelds months in advance but games should be plentiful. You go to an EB or Gamestop and ask them if they'll have such and such game next week and they say yes and you then preorder it and then the game is delayed for 3 months, only then do you have right to complain. If you do it months in advance and the game is delayed then tough shit, you're just a stupid consumer who doesn't know how things roll.

There was never, not once, throughout its release window targets a date for Twilight Princess set in stone. If you fell into the early preorder trap then sucks to be you. That's all I'm saying.

"It's the principle of the matter" applies to this situation, Mikey. The fact is that GC owners have waited long enough for a game that was finished well over a year ago. To see it delayed one more time for absolutely no reason whatsoever is really, to a certain extent, sheer abuse of fan loyalty.

Another odd thing about this is that it doesn't fit Nintendo's usual business practice. I'm not the most well-versed Nintendo historian, but this has got to be one of, if not the only, title that's been so highly anticipated and hyped up and delayed for seemingly no real reason.

As far as I know, Nintendo's never really been one to hold back a game from the fan's for very long, but surely they know that Twilight Princess should've been in gamers' hands over a year ago. Any intelligent gamer knows this, so obviously Nintendo must. If they didn't, they wouldn't have put it on the Wii, presumably. At this point, any other delay is utterly absurd on their part, and in my opinion all of the delays have been utterly absurd, save for the very, very first one.

Edit: I have to disagree, Acer. I've never heard of a developer saying "We promise this game will be out on this exact date." However, I've heard every developer/publisher say "This game will be in stores in November." This we can agree on, right? No one just outright promises a game will be out on such a specific date, period end of story. However, Nintendo did say numerous times that "...the Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess will be in stores in November." A year ago, EB Games had an exact release date for the game as well.

Not only that, but Nintendo actually DID make a promise, now that I think about it, regarding TP's release on the GameCube. At E3 '06 they promised up and down, reassuring sooooo many fans that both versions of Twilight Princess would launch simultaneously with the Wii. As of this morning they went back and retracted that promise once again.

Now, I agree with you that people who pre-order a game months in advance, including myself, have no right to compain, especially when the said pre-ordered game doesn't have a confirmed release date. Twilight Princess, however, has had at least three confirmed dates, and now has a fourth one. Therefore, I think people who pre-ordered it a long time ago, including those who pre-ordered months before the rumored initial release date and those who waited until a week or two before to pre-order it, have a right to express a bit of disdain toward this.

You don't know how much between that game build and the current game build has been added minus Wii controller content. I have severe doubts it was only Wii content that was added. With that time they managed to upgrade the graphics a bit, change the twilight zones for the better, tweak control (they weren't satisfied with the wolf in that build), and add more dungeons and content. I wouldn't want another unfinished Zelda game ala WindWaker where the game obviously needed a delay. Nintendo has done us nothing but favors by delaying this game until now.

I do wonder what their exact reasons for not releasing the cube version on the same day as the Wii version are but they kept their promise of a cube version and that's all that matters to me. I'm getting it on Wii so no matter.

I think a better strategy would have been to release the game for Gamecube somewhere around a year ago, and then include the new dungeons, redesigned character models, and Wii functionality in the Wii version.

Ultimately, I think this is a huge disservice to the fans, not only Zelda fans, but Nintendo loyalties. And piling one more delay on top of the others ones (whose reasons were vague, if present at all save for Wii functionality) is just a cliche` smack in the face.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm eagerly anticipating this title as much as anyone else is, which is in part why I started this discussion. But at this point, the hype has worn off from me, and I'll probably wait until I can get the Gamecube version as a Player's Choice for $20 or just get it used and save the money.

Nintendo made me wait this long, so they can wait just as long for my money. [/jaded]

Oh and you don't think the people who bought the cube version a year ago wouldn't cry foul when they saw all the updates the wii version gets? Maybe you forgot how we reacted to RE4 being ported to PS2.

No I didn't forget. However, look at the key difference there. One is a cross-manufacturer port, the other is a cross-system port. In truth, I think the only people who would cry foul are those that would buy the Wii version anyway, because they were already planning on getting the Wii.

So really, no I don't think there would've been too much foul-crying. Actually, I bet a lot of fans would've been pleased to have a familiar game ported to their new console featuring new control schemes and all sorts of graphical updates.

Personally I'm with the crowd that wishes they would just release them together in one package. $60 for both a gcn disc and wii disc of Twilight Princess would be an act of kindness for making us all wait this long. Play whichever version you want. If you only have a cube then you're set. Then when you get a Wii you can try out the enhancements.

That's not a bad idea, actually. Although again, I sorta feel obligated to go back to my earlier argument and say that if were gonna do that, then why not release the GC version earlier, and then include it with the Wii version at Wii launch.

I mean, it's sorta the same thing with the Collector's Edition disc and Ocarine of Time: Master Quest.

Eh I don't see how that's the same. What I was saying is have both current versions of the game together not current wii build and last year's gcn build. That in my opinion would suck. I'd rather not see any builds of an inferior zelda, period.

Southjag, none of the Nintendo loyalists you're arguing with seem to mind much, that it was delayed. I'd called that a minor flaw in your logic.

All I have to say in response to your entire post is this: Ocarina of Time.

I win. =D

a.k.a. the game that got delayed for around 2 years before it was released.

Now that the GC version is coming out after the Wii version, it's obvious Nintendo is trying to make people buy the Wii version.


Will there be an option to have Link left-handed in the Wii version? It appears not from what I read. I'm left-handed afterall.

Better warm up that right arm, then.

I'll probably just wait and buy the Gamecube version, then play it on the Wii (no need to bust out my Q to play it)-- I'm not confident enough in the motion-controlled stuff for the game. Zeldas usually have at least a few boss battles that require a certain amount of precision.

Everytime I see a video of someone playing TP on Wii, they always look as if they are constantly struggling with the controls. This doesn't happen with fishing, but definitely with battles.

Have there been any recent videos since they mapped the swordplay to the Wiimote instead of the A button? I figured that would be atleast a bit more managable. Also, I think they altered the bow and arrow controls, but I forget how.

At one point in time, wasn't something like a "Hold the A button, pull back the Wiimote, and release said button" sorta thing? I really don't see how it could be too terribly different from that.

I think that's what it is now. Before I believe it was "tap A to select bow and arrow, pull back, tap A to release"

I think at E3 they had you use the d-pad down and release that in order to use bow and arrow. People didn't really like it.

Bow is mapped to the B trigger now. Once to pull it out, then again to fire. Shooting is done in an over-the-shoulder view instead of first-person.

Source is IGN's recent vids of Twilight Princess in action at the Wii event.

That footage looks great. I'd like to see some off-screen vids of them actually fighting though. The fighting will be what makes me wait for the GCN version or get it at launch for the Wii. I hope it's good. It sounds like it will work fairly well.