See, I agree with this too but I actually have a threshold of lobotomy I'm willing to endure for the sake of entertainment. I don't expect perfection out of every film that I watch/endure/survive (Circle one please) but I do expect a somewhat decent level of production value without resorting to cheap shots, camera tricks, CG, so-called "star power" and hamfisted marketing campaigns. After all, we don't live in the perfect world after all and not every single movie is directed by Pierre-Jeunet.

tl;dr version: Are we better off watching Transformers or a Nolan-esque Batman?

NO DUMBASS because liberal college fags will talk about this movie nonstop at the local starbucks, those stupid ASSHOLES, I wish they'd stop pushing their farcical "intelligence" into my face!!! If you don't expect every fucking movie EVER to feature the best damn writing you have ever seen then you are simply letting ignorance grab society and choke it by the throat http://www.gamingforce.org/forums/im...ons/icon13.gif

In other news, I found a screenshot of the next Batman villain, I'm kind of excited.

Well, not before I ram my massive meathammer down society's throat, you puckered-tight conservative asshole.

This conversation is going the right way, right?

hell yes baby ;)

EDIT: to make this not a worthless post, I thought it was a good movie. Certainly should please Batman fans who have just been fucked in the ass by previous films.

LZ, I don't think every movie will be the best movie ever made. I don't think every movie will have a perfect script. I just wish it would. If you're cool with things sucking, that's your problem.

And Beaner, the fact you put Transformers up as the opposing force shows that you missed the point. It's not that one isn't better than the other, it's that they could be SO MUCH BETTER.

No, I got that too... But at what point are we willing to sacrifice what little redeeming qualities they have in order to bitch and moan about all the shit that went wrong?

It's not bitching and moaning, it's being critical. And it's not exactly a character trait to be shameful of.

Continuing with what Encephalon said - Is it possible that filmmakers sometimes simply create a fantasy in which the characters and events are to be taken at face value and not over-analyzed? I'm not saying that's the case with TDK, I just wonder if you critique every movie as if it has messages that the writer/director was trying to subtly communicate when it's quite possible that he/she did not mean to "say" anything but instead just wanted to make an entertaining flick.

It's not a matter of over-analyzing, it's a matter of analyzing. Critical thought is not pretentious, it's just underused.

And I'm sure there's people who set out to just make a flick for the sake of making a flick. But setting out to create something purely entertaining still requires you to have a plot, or a message. Something. Or else the movie just collapses into itself like so much boneless Orson Welles.

IT'S A VERY NICE MOVIE
 

Right, and that draws this conversation to a close.

Considering that the last movie to hold most of those records was fucking Spider-Man 3, I'd say lesser of two evils should come into play.

Touche.

So wait.

Enceph steps in to tell people to stop discussing the movie.

Then LZ comes in and fails at what the internet construes as farce or humor or something.

And this is the community we all signed up for? Yuck.

You know what? If this is about the most complicated thought you can process from this, we'll just go ahead and go with that. http://www.gamingforce.org/forums/im...ons/icon14.gif

I will seriously never understand why you subliminally hate this place so much and still remain here.

Oh, so you only respond to the parts of a post you choose to. How clever.

I cannot fathom why a staff member wants to kill a thread topic for absolutely no reason. You basically come off as someone's snot-nosed kid brother trying to butt in on a conversation between adults. If you're not going to fucking add anything to the pre-exisiting conversation, its okay to sit one out, rope-a-dope.

The Dark Knight (2008)

9.6 lol

Rated higher than the Godfather. And a solid 1.0 above Dr. Strangelove.

Welcome to the bizarro world that is imdb ratings.

The whole idea of rating movies in relation to other movies is so logically bankrupt that I can't imagine why anyone would expect the results to be anything other than stupid. Is "Rear Window" better than "Psycho"? What does that even mean

It means people really like funny exit lines.

Oh wow, just wow. I think you've just pushed your character over the line from comedy into farce with those two statements mate.

Well, honestly, I wouldn't care about the rating so much if it wasn't for the fact that there were already 70,000 votes (which is quite a lot). I mean, you often see new movies with a 9.x rating based on a couple of thousands of votes, and a few weeks later, the rating has dropped to 7 or 8. I don't see it happen to this movie.

Popular opinion; the eternal enemy of pompous Film Studies students.

The Hulk, while it didn't get where it was going, was basically nothing more than a child neglect story.

V For Vendetta is literally "If you don't agree with us, you're not only wrong, you're also Hitler".

Ha ha ha, I see what you mean. I was a big fan of the V graphic novel before I saw the film so I guess knowing all the rest of the story that gets left out makes it slighty less in-your-face preachy. Also, living under our current government makes it seem a bit more relevant possibly. Also it's got Stephen Fry playing himself (For a change) which is always a good thing.

The Hulk, I always felt was punching rather above it's weight in terms of message delivery. The ending particulatly destroyed any credibility it might have had up to that point, they should have killed him and had a poignant, introspective end instead of that jungle bullshit.