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Misogynyst Gynecologist Jun 1, 2006 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by chaofan
I don't know... I suppose if they insinuate that Xavier is alive then...

I don't know if "insinuation" is the proper word given that we hear Patrick Stewart's voice.

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I don't think Cyclops could've survived that attack from Phoenix.

Why?

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Sure he may be powerful but she was "off the scale" (or so they say).

We also don't see what she does, really. Any number of things could've happened after the camera cut away. Theres no evidence to support Scott being dead aside from supposition and third party dialouge.

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BTW, does he survive in the comic book (or was the Phoenix arc completely warped)?
The movie and the comic are two entirely seperate stories. The comic is incredibly sweeping and epic - the movie is not.

chaofan Jun 1, 2006 10:41 AM

I'm aware of some X-men stuff, but I wouldn't know how strong Cyclops is. But hell if Phoenix can "shake" a whole island like that then what chance does he have?

I forgot to see the Xavier bit at the end of the credits, but okay.

And I agree that your view of the movie. You can virtually feel the lack of love in making that movie. I think I might read to comics to get a better understanding of the X-men world... But where to get?

DOUBLE Post:
Oh wait, I know where to get the comics -_-' duhhh

Misogynyst Gynecologist Jun 1, 2006 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by chaofan
I'm aware of some X-men stuff, but I wouldn't know how strong Cyclops is. But hell if Phoenix can "shake" a whole island like that then what chance does he have?

I don't see her shaking an island during the scene with Scott. It would seem that her powers manifest themselves in different ways.

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And I agree that your view of the movie. You can virtually feel the lack of love in making that movie. I think I might read to comics to understand the movies more... But where to get?

Recommended Reading

Days Of Future Past
God Loves, Man Kills (Basis for X2, much better story than the movie was. Be careful not to get an AWFUL follow-up of the same name)
Dark Phoenix Saga

Zato-1 Jun 1, 2006 02:55 PM

I never expected u to be a reader of X-men LeHah, and such a devoted one, at that..

Seeing as ur the one who probably knows the most, can u recommend me some X-men comic series that don't treat us to lots of colorful costumes and a flurry of neverending new introductions (which becomes more and more confusing by the letter)..In other words, the more "mature" ones, if you will?

Im thinking something along the line of Ultimate X-Men and that style, i been a fan since i was like 7 but sadly we didn't get more than 6 issues here in egypt (late issues of Uncanny X-men, i guess, between 234-265 iirc)..

Recommend !

Misogynyst Gynecologist Jun 1, 2006 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Zato-1
I never expected u to be a reader of X-men LeHah, and such a devoted one, at that..

I devoted a long period in my young life to comics. Now that I'm older, while I don't really collect anymore, theres a number of facets to my old hobby that I still enjoy. I love buying the occassional comic to see what an artist is up to - Al Williamson or Sal Buschema, especially.

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In other words, the more "mature" ones, if you will?

I already recommended God Loves, Man Kills above. It's a VERY heavy issue that covers racism, religious animosity and ethical questions in a more "worldly" fashion than most comics would. They actually have one of the X-Men scream "Nigger" in one scene.

Zato-1 Jun 1, 2006 07:43 PM

ok great, gonna check it, but recommend more.. also, do u know what's the last (/released) issue of Ultimate X-men?

Oh and i forgot, do u know any sites that count as good comic book resources? Anything related? Share share !!

Misogynyst Gynecologist Jun 1, 2006 07:45 PM

I'm not sure if any of those Amazon.com links are for the right titles, given the reviews. However, the COVER is the correct image for God Loves, Man Kills

VitaPup Jun 1, 2006 07:58 PM

chaofan, If you want the Dark Phoenix Saga, I posted the entire thing in the comic board here.


Also, If anyone is interested in Days of Future Past, I could also post that up.

Interrobang Jun 1, 2006 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LeHah
I'm not sure if any of those Amazon.com links are for the right titles, given the reviews. However, the COVER is the correct image for God Loves, Man Kills

The crappy sequel is found here, so no worries.

If you're really seeking to lose the spandex, you could read the Grant Morrison run of New X-Men. He starts with "E is for Extinction" and ends with "Here comes Tomorrow". The plot sorta implodes after the twist in "Planet X", though.

KCJ506 Jun 2, 2006 01:56 AM

http://www.superherohype.com/news/x-mennews.php?id=4329

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New Details on the X-Men Spinoffs
Source: USA Today June 1, 2006

USA Today has published an update on the various "X-Men" spinoffs in the works, including Wolverine, Magneto, one on the kids and another on Emma Frost. The newspaper's scoop:

The first spinoff will be Hugh Jackman's Wolverine. His character has an as-yet-unrevealed back story in which researchers replaced his original bones with a metal skeleton. Jackman has signed on to star and co-produce, and X-Men producer Lauren Shuler Donner says it will likely head into production next year.

"We've also talked about doing something on the kids in (Professor X's) school, focusing on their lives, and less of a global adventure for the team," says Hutch Parker, production president of 20th Century Fox.

The studio is also exploring a movie with Three Kings director David O. Russell based on the character of Emma Frost, a sexy mutant telepath who can transform her skin into diamonds. She is an X-Men comics regular but was not featured in the movies.

Another likely solo project: Magneto, also in the script phase. The film will focus on his youthful pre-villain days, Shuler Donner says.

Though it would require a younger actor for those sequences, she says the film would need Ian McKellen to anchor the flashbacks. "What's a Magneto movie without Ian?" she asks.

We'll be following all the projects closely.
Just how many spinoffs are they planning to do? We've got Wolverine, Magneto, and now Emma Frost who hasn't even appeared in the movies. I remember reading about them planning to do a Mystique movie.

Why so many spinoffs and not X4? Damn you Fox.

If Emma Frost gets a spinoff, then damn it I want my Nightcrawler movie.

Chibi Neko Jun 2, 2006 02:16 AM

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My question is why they didn't just get Leech near enough to just turn her off.

You know, I really thought that was how they where going to stop her while I was watching the movie, either that or the cure darts....

Tomzilla Jun 2, 2006 03:27 AM

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Concerning the 'Cyclops may or may not be dead' topic, the odds are he is. After all, I believe Jean herself stated to Wolverine in the movie, "Kill me before I kill someone else!"

Based on how Jean tended to dissolve everyone and multiple characters bringing up how Scott is dead - including Jean herself - then yeah, he's dead. But will he remain dead? It's not out of the question. If a plot device requires it or some writer(s) manages to create a semi-intelligent reason, then he can return. Until then, I think we can safely conclude Scott is gone.

VitaPup Jun 2, 2006 03:37 AM

Though she does say that, she also says "I think I killed Scott." or something along those lines. So I think if an X4 is ever made, it could go either way.

Dewman Jun 2, 2006 06:12 AM

Well as I pointed out before, in the comics, its seems that everyone second person dies at some point or another but gets resurrected/cloned/saved by time travel etc. Even if Cyclops is dead, he may and probably will come back (ala xavier)

TheReverend Jun 2, 2006 08:18 PM

I'm not an Xmen fanatic or anything, though I did see the movie. So I'll judge it just as that.

A movie.

I thought it was fairly good. I didn't have any specific character anticipations, so "not seeing enough Colossus" didn't really affect me at all. The dialog was fairly intriguing. The character developments were few and far between, but enough to keep you caring about what was coming next. Obviously the special effects were great.

I enjoyed the uber-powerful Phoenix. I thought there should be more of Angel. I too think that Spike "porcupine boy" was pretty lame. I wish they had done more with Mystique(sp?) and her fallout with Magento, especially since she has played such a key role in the past movies.

Other than that, it was a good spring flick. What more do you expect?


Now lets see what Bryan does with Supes.

quazi Jun 2, 2006 08:35 PM

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Other than that, it was a good spring flick. What more do you expect?


A good movie. Compared to the first two, this movie was terrible.

Misogynyst Gynecologist Jun 2, 2006 08:48 PM

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A good movie. Compared to the first two, this movie was terrible.

Shit, this movie was pretty much on the level of Supergirl. No, wait, at least Supergirl had Jerry Goldsmith backing it's play.

Acro-nym Jun 2, 2006 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Zato-1
ok great, gonna check it, but recommend more.. also, do u know what's the last (/released) issue of Ultimate X-men?

Oh and i forgot, do u know any sites that count as good comic book resources? Anything related? Share share !!

Any sites that count as good comic book resources? Why not try CBR? That site is truly the only good place to go for comic book information. If you have questions about comics (such as good X-Men titles), register and post in the forums. I'm sure you'll get a few suggestions.

Hmm... that may have come off as a bit too advertisy. Ah well.

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Shit, this movie was pretty much on the level of Supergirl.

No, I'd say it was on par with the Spider-Man Unlimited television series.

Interrobang Jun 2, 2006 10:32 PM

Spider-Man Unlimited was actually entertaining and had nice animation, even if it had an absolutely retarded premise. X3 has you ask why the characters and plot are fucking stupid, and doesn't have the excuse of being written for children.

Misogynyst Gynecologist Jun 2, 2006 10:41 PM

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No, I'd say it was on par with the Spider-Man Unlimited television series.

Spider-Man Unlimited didn't betray continuity when it sucked. X3 most certainly did.

KCJ506 Jun 3, 2006 03:07 AM

I think a great many of the people who put X3 down made up their minds the minute Singer bailed. I was just reading where Ratner was talking about how that guy Knowles from AICN used to praise him for the "Rush Hour" movies but just seemed to turn on him out of the blue.

What's funny to me is that a lot of people complained about the lack of action in Singer's movies and they wanted an all-out mutant vs mutant power slugfest people have been clamoring since the first film. In X3 we get more action and mutant vs mutant fight and a lot of them still aren't happy.

Zato-1 Jun 3, 2006 03:20 AM

U know KCJ i had the Exact thought running through my head when i saw ppl's reactions to the movie..

Hell, i aint sayin he did a perfect job but for god's sake don't blame Ratner, Fox FOX FOX.. With their idiocy, no they didnt wanna pummel the franchise, they just dont know how to do it with passion AND effeciency, Ratner Obviously has Passion, but lacks professionalism, and hence efficiency..

To be honest the movie stinks of "fan-service", not saying fanservice is bad though, we still love it, but at the right time...

More requesting: PLEASE PEOPLE!! i need a site to DOWNLOAD comics , i cant buy comics since simply there is no source for them (and they cost me more eventually, since i NEVER read them from the PC, i print em on gloss paper, which costs a small fortune but is well worth it.)
Sites to download single issues mainly, since i hate torrenting an entire series only to find it boring...

avanent Jun 3, 2006 03:49 AM

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I think a great many of the people who put X3 down made up their minds the minute Singer bailed.

I think the majority of people arn't aware of the change in directors because majority of people may no attention to direcotrs other than speilberg and ridly scott if even.

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Originally Posted by KCJ506
What's funny to me is that a lot of people complained about the lack of action in Singer's movies and they wanted an all-out mutant vs mutant power slugfest people have been clamoring since the first film.

I felt 2 was the perfect balance :P

Bradylama Jun 3, 2006 03:54 AM

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I think a great many of the people who put X3 down made up their minds the minute Singer bailed.
You are retarded. I actually watched the first two movies for the first time in anticipation of this movie because I thought it would be so awesome.

I now know the truth.

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I was just reading where Ratner was talking about how that guy Knowles from AICN used to praise him for the "Rush Hour" movies but just seemed to turn on him out of the blue.
Harry Knowles is a fat fucking troglodyte that wouldn't recognize good taste after devouring the African country-sized population required to go into his buckets of Original Recipe.

KCJ506 Jun 3, 2006 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bradylama
You are retarded. I actually watched the first two movies for the first time in anticipation of this movie because I thought it would be so awesome.

I now know the truth.

Holy crap dude. Lighten up. It's the truth. There were people already bashing the movie before Ratner even signed on to direct it.

People who don't like it seem to for one good reason or two somewhat lame reasons.

1.They feel it was really a bad movie overall (which is fine if thats your opinion).

or..

2.They decided they hate before they saw it because they hate Ratner and/or love Singer.

3.They are hardcore Cyclops fans and are not happy with how that one character was handled in the film.

...of course there are some other reasons but those seem to be the three biggest. I liked it for the most part (for the record).

Just wait until Superman Returns comes up and most of the X3 critics will be giving it blind praises.


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