I'm guessing that's a ... tie? 1-1, I mean, is technically a tie. So I changed the chart to represent this.

Ah, okay. Still, I think if you are able to use all the other moves that prevent someone from attacking (paralyze, frozen, etc.) then one should be able to use sleep as well. If you can use items, shouldn't you just be able to use an item to cure it, anyways?

Anyways, here is the update from last night's battles.

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if i can still battle sousuke, i'll be around at 9 PM tonight.

You can't use items; you can only give pokemon hold items before the battle. In this regard though, yes, you can have a pokemon cure itself of status effects by giving it a Lum Berry (a few competitors here have utilized at least one, including myself).

And as the Bug representative of this tournament, I can assure you that sleep has not been as useful as it should be. This can be attributed to my bad luck, the surprisingly small amount of viable Bug pokemon that can use support strategies well, and the extremely unorthodox setup of the competition.

Sorry about my sudden disappearance, guys. I've been on the road these past six days relocating to Washington from New York for the summer. I can see that today is the last day for matches, so I'd be more than happy to entertain what battles I can. And sorry to those of you who had PM'd me, I wasn't ignoring you!

I'm now in Pacific Time, it being 5:30pm right now. I'll try to be available from now to the end of the night, but there may be some periods where I have to take off to get some supplies. We're still in the process of moving in after all!

Sorry again for any troubles, and be sure to let me know if and when you guys are free today.

Bleh, lopsided was the wrong word. And I don't think I fully understood the layout. But your last post made much more sense =p

Oh, of course. No arguing that! The reason I even made the tournament the way it is is because I wanted to do something other than a normal tournament. It kept things interesting and, I think, caused more people to become interested in future tournaments I will eventually setup.

I might adopt your score keeping system under the condition you stay active often enough to do so =o. Or at the very least swap IM contact info so we can talk more about this in detail.

Indeed, it is a very clean and fair system. Yet the downside is the huge amount of work one would have to do to keep it updated. Not something I myself want to play with. But if you want to do it for the next tournament then I say go for it!

Hm, just Altaria, Dragonite, Flygon, Garchomp, Kingdra and Salamence if I'm not mistaken. The rest are either legendaries or lower evolution versions of the mentioned Pokemon. Not sure what kind of limits I could impose on players for using the BL variations though. Like what you and Crash already said, too many rules does kill the fun in the game.

Well it was a rule for other tournaments actually. But I decided not to include it this time since some of us were extremely limited on choices. Doesn't look like any of us actually broke the rule anyway. So I'm not too worried about players goofing around by making a team of only Blisseys and Bronzongs =D

Yeah, I know, just brainstorming. I wasn't exactly too keen on the idea either but I want to at least voice it out for everyone to see. But yeah, we could be thinking too hard about this. I wouldn't mind try a "normal" doubles tournament for once. I don't think I've ever been in such a tournament either (not counting the failed Gamestop doubles tournament =/.)

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Dammit BlackMage, I was about to cross your name off the list xD.

You have until midnight to get as many matches out of the way as possible! According to my timezone you have 9 hours, starting now :gonk:.

I'm available all night, until Midnight, Hawaii time. I've got tomorrow off from work, so I can stay up to have a battle. I definitely wanna fight you, Black Mage.

We still need to finish ours, BM. I honestly don't remember what the hell happened when we first fought, so are you alright with just starting over again?

But anyway, finish fighting with Crash first. I'll follow up after you fight him. And if we're going by Hawaii time, I'll be available until 9 PM (3 AM EST).

Epic match! Probably the toughest I've had so far. Incredibly close one, too.


Now, I'm just gonna grab something quick to eat, and hopefully radcliff is still around to battle. If you are, I'll be online in a few minutes.

[edit] Epic fail on my part. ;_;


Sorry about the last report, I'm getting really tired. All I have left to battle is Generic, and I have a feeling that won't be happening tonight. ;_;

Crash vs. Black Mage



I feel somewhat poorly about how this match turned out. Of course I should play to win, and I did, but I don't imagine it was all that exciting for Black Mage. There wasn't much he could do about Procyon, and that defined the entire battle.

So that's it. I've played everyone, and went 8-1. My only loss came to Icy, who beat me by a whopping 1 HP. Not bad at all.

Damn you and your record, Crash. :mad:

Anyway, had my battle with Black Mage as well.


I had a lot of fun with this match, dude. Hopefully you'll be around for the next tournament as well. :3:

Sorry I wasn't available for matches... again. But as I explained. I work on the nightcrew. I'm only available during the day or on my days off. You can drop me from the tournament if you need to. Even if you extended the deadline, I'm going to a Dethklok concert today.

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No problem man. I'll just accumulate the totals anyway and see how everyone placed. Sane Brain missed a few reports so I had to double check! I'll post the results later~ today =D

I know it's over and all, but some people [ie: me vs Generic] just didn't get to battle. What are you going to do for the scoring there? Just give both parties a 0? I'd suggest 'awarding' a draw, but I don't know. It's up to you; I'm just curious~

But, if I'm not mistaken, if you give a Pokemon a berry to hold, once that Pokemon uses it, that Pokemon cannot use it again (as it is eaten). So status effects would still be mostly effective, I would think...

Another reason not to limit the effectiveness of sleep for the next tournament.

If you have any specific questions at all about the layout of my chart, just ask me.

Hopefully it has done just that. Only time will tell...

After I post this, I'll give you my AIM screen name viva PM. If your's isn't kairyugff then give me your's viva PM too so we can communicate about this more effectively.

You can count on me, sir! Well, at least until the end of summer. After that college begins and I nearly won't have as much time... But I'll definitely try my best.

Actually I said dragon type 1 Pokemon.

Below is the list of fully evolved dragon Pokemon:

#149 Dragonite (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Flying)
#230 Kingdra (Type 1 Water, Type 2 Dragon) - Type 2
#330 Flygon (Type 1 Ground, Type 2 Dragon) - Type 2
#334 Altaria (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Flying)
#373 Salamence (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Flying)
#380 Latias (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Psychic) - Legendary
#381 Latios (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Psychic) - Legendary
#384 Rayquaza (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Flying) - Legendary
#445 Garchomp (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Ground)
#483 Dialga (Type 1 Steel, Type 2 Dragon) - Type 2/Legendary
#484 Palkia (Type 1 Water, Type 2 Dragon) - Type 2/Legendary
#487 Giratina (Type 1 Ghost, Type 2 Dragon) - Type 2/Legendary

That's good, but if you decide next tournament that people can use more than one type of Pokemon, I suggest you do impose the limit, so we don't have people going for the same six Pokemon. Pokemon is about variation and catching six of the same Pokemon defeats the purpose of, 'catching them all', doesn't it? ;)

Maybe we are thinking too hard about this ... but in all fairness, all we're trying to do is brainstorm the most creative ideas to have as much fun as possible during these tournament events.

Wow, a lot of matches occurred in one night!

I got all of 'em now.

To calculate all of this and put it into the system takes some time. When I first plugged in last nights scores, this post you had above wasn't even there. But finally now I'm finished.

Ah - look at my chart then. The first two calculates the disadvantage of not playing all of your potential battles while the second two doesn't. The fifth calculated number is the added rank number of all four - so for example, since Crash Landon got #1 on all four previous ranks, he would get a score of 4 - the lower the score the better - and in all fairness, this balances everything out. Let me give you an example.

Black Mage for the longest time had two wins. Under the system Kairyu made, he would be around last place, but he never lost! So I calculated win ratios as well to balance it out. However, winning two matches is not as great as winning eight, as well, so it wouldn't be fair to calculate him in first place just because he won two battles. This takes in both sides of the argument and gives a fair prediction on both sides as to whom the real four best trainers are.

Here are the results! (If I'm missing something please tell me now so I can fix it)



*I'm also requesting these results to be edited on the first post of this thread.*

Total amount of battles actual: 38
merging the two between dark and fire type gym leaders
Total amount of battles potential: 45
In total, there was only 7 battles missed. Oh well.
It only looks like more in the chart because in the chart every battle is two squares

Soon I will have the chart for the final four up, once Kairyu makes up a decision on who is going to be the top four.

Three are set in stone:
1) Crash Landon - the Psychic Pokemon Gym Leader
2) Identity Crisis - the Dragon Pokemon Gym Leader
3) Josiah - the Normal Pokemon Gym Leader

And the potential candidates for the forth are:
1) Black Mage - the Flying Pokemon Gym Leader
2) Kairyu - the Ground Pokemon Gym Leader
3) radcliff13 - the Fire Pokemon Gym Leader

....Gah, just when I figured I was done, BM reappears at the last minute when I decided to more or less stop paying attention. I have to be elsewhere tonight even if we could still battle. I guess it's too late for anything now...?

The only gripe I have for this post is that you want to omit the rule about sleep clause.

The problem is, I don't know how I'm going to address your statement, because there are two sides to this coin, and both are fairly even in the fact that the idea to ban/unban sleep clause is a stalemate, to use the term.

The ban on sleep clause is mainly judged by skill. if it isn't place, then someone could sweep with hypnosis/sleep powder, and battles would be long, and drawn out/boring (because heh, rest on a milotic is pure awesome).

If it is in place, you actually have to try to beat your opponent.

But again, it's all even sided, somewhat.

Okay, both Kairyu and I have drawn out a plan to deal with the tie for forth place.

Kairyu, the Ground Pokemon Gym Leader will face off against Black Mage, the Flying Pokemon Gym Leader, in a one 6 vs 6 Pokemon battle. Either Kairyu or Black Mage will post the results and from there I will calculate who will go on to face radcliff13 in the same style to earn that forth place title.

Alright, I'm back and ready to battle for 4th place =p.

The odds are stacked against me but with any luck I might be able to pull out a miracle or two :tpg:.
Expect a PM from me soon, Black Mage.

edit:
Ok, Black Mage conceded his match with me since his internet is kind of not there at the moment. So that leaves me with radcliff13 to fight.
I'll PM you in a bit for one 6v6 battle.

Kairyu vs Radcliff13 - tiebreaker match

Oh, no.

This is what I feared.

The secret rules that I did not tell you two implied the number of KO's with type advantage.

See, ground attacks does twice the amount of damage they would normally do on fire Pokemon. Since Kairyu is the ground Pokemon gym leader, he has the most amount of ground attacks. Fire attacks do not have this advantage; they only do what is normal for their attacks to do, on ground Pokemon. And since radcliff13 is the fire gym leader, he has the most amount of fire attacks.

My system was set-up so every KO was worth 1 point. Since Kairyu had the advantage of his Pokemon doing double the damage they would normally do, I had to take that into account into the scoring; I did this by reducing the amount of points he gets per KO in half. Therefore, Kairyu would receive only a half of a point for every KO, while radcliff13 would still retain a point per KO.

Since Kairyu KO'ed all six of radcliff13 Pokemon, he earns three points, but since radcliff13 KO'ed three of the six Kairyu had, he earns three points as well.

In other words - it's a stalemate.

Therefore, there must be an ultimate tie-breaker. Sudden KO showdown.

Kairyu will select one of his Pokemon to face against radcliff13, but radcliff13 will select two of his Pokemon to face against Kairyu. (Assuming that this is possible) And the rules are clear this time: whoever wins this match goes on to the next round.

Good luck to both of you!

Frankly, I think your system is unnecessarily complex and moronically pedantic. "Secret rules" my ass. You've managed to convert something fun into a cesspool of by-laws and bureaucracy.

Kairyu won. radcliff knew he had the type disadvantage going in. Luck of the draw. Let's not bog things down with half-points and similar garbage.

If I had known this would have been a tie, I would suggested a two on one match to Kairyu and discarded the secret rules to begin with.

I was just trying to keep things fair. If you think that goal is unnecessary - or garbage, and proceed this tournament on without a fair fight, then we are not representing a tournament that is deciding who is truly the best Pokemon gym leader.

This is especially so with radcliff13. Many of his loses came before he even had his full team ready to battle. And after that, he started winning.

Crash, you faced against Chaotic and Sousuke, and won both. Tell me, did it take more skill and planning to defeat Chaotic than it did to defeat Sousuke? Was Chaotic harder to beat because of his type rather than his skill? If you can honestly say no to both of these questions, I will concede to your point.

However, neither you or I is the creator of this tournament. Ultimately the decision goes to Kairyu.

I'm probably splitting hairs, but next round? Wasn't the top three already established? Even if we do settle on letting Kairyu and radcliff13 play their sudden death match, why do we need drag on Kairyu's and radcliff's placement further?

EDIT: Bah, nevermind. The first post answered my previous questions. Disregard them.

So... why did the rules need to be a secret to begin with? If you planned on giving radcliff13 a handicap, what exactly was preventing you from telling Kairyu and radcliff13 about it up front?

Secret Rules? Bah. I totally agree with Crash here--even though I wasn't part of this round in the tournament, I think that having this 'half-point' idea is totally unfair. Just because Kairyu had the type advantage doesn't mean he should have a handicap--he was assigned that type by luck of the draw.