I have that too, actually. I'll upload that later on tonight for you. ;)

:D

Thanks man! Much appreciated! Been a while I've listen to anything new from them. Hey did you ever get the chance to check out that "Coward of the Year" CONTROLS album mp3 with Aesop Rock?

Getting back to independent hip hop. There's a lot of dope crews out that are not signed major and still brings it.

I was wondering how long it would be before some mod took that down I have to say, that was pretty quick.

Anyway since J-Live was mentioned recently I figured I'd post this up. Funny thing is when I saw the video I knew the song was familliar until the end when I saw the album title and I realized I actually had it! Oh happy days

Puppet Master.

Rap I can still admit to having talent, and a lot of it, even though I hate the sound of the genre as a whole. There's a few exceptions, songs that I do actually like, but a very select few. The talent is pretty much all in underground bands though.

Hip-Hop is just some stupid, 3 second repeated beat throughout the entire song, with really shitty lyrics sung by a wannabe rapper. Usually the lyrics are heavily repetitive too. No talent. If I wanted to hear the same thing repeated every 3 seconds, I'd rather listen to a Bush speech.

Yeah I know, I came in late to this thread. Just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents.

You clearly haven't listened to much hip-hop. Take a peak in the Music Exposure Club and grab the Ozomatli or Nujabes. I think you might just have definitions mixed up though.

Possibly. Most of what I've heard of hip-hop is what I've heard in the dorm, and what I've heard on the radio while channel surfing. I let it stay on a station for about an hour the first time, just to see what the music was like, it didn't get any better with time. Most music is like that - if I don't like it at first, I'll start liking it after awhile. Now I just flip to those stations every now and then, thinking maybe I'll catch a good song, but I never do, it's just insanely repetitive dog shit.

Hell, I even like country now that I've heard a lot of it, something I swore would never be possible.

Rap I've heard a lot more, it's insanely popular here for some reason I can't understand. We have about a 40% hispanic population though, and it seems to be a popular genre among them. I even knew a couple rappers that I had to admit were pretty good. I like the genre a lot more than I used to, but I doubt I'll ever like it enough to listen to it on a regular basis :). My roomate last year had the most disgusting emo music (hawthorne heights....), but some of the most amazing rap music. Weird cross =/. And I like some music from each genre...rap more than emo...but you would figure good taste would spread across the spectrum :).

Hey, that's pretty neato. There's this really great fellow who might enjoy your company.

Why do you always seem to have a problem with me, Encephalon?

What problem? I just figured you could tear our new friend here a new asshole for talking shit about your profession. You're a little jumpy today, aren't you?

I don't get it.

Why would I tear him a new asshole? He's just stating his opinion. He isn't talking shit, he's just saying he doesn't like hip-hop.

Read the last three pages of the thread.

You know, that's actually funny because you came in here spitting flames because we were doing the EXACT SAME THING about YOUR idea of hip-hop.

Well, actually I was kind of talking shit about it. But I really do geniuinely believe hip-hop is talentless, see reasons in previous posts. I don't care if you like it or not, sure, it's another genre of music, I just don't believe it takes much talent to make a hip-hop song.

But like someone else said, it's possible I have my definitions mixed up. I don't listen to either hip-hop or rap enough to really genuinely be able to tell them apart in most situations. Hip-hop I just see as over-simplified rap, in the most basic sense. But maybe it's the other way around, and hip-hop is the genre with the few songs that I actually do like.

Ok then. Let's see you try to make a quality rap album.

I second Capo's proposal. If it's shit-simple, as you seem to believe, you should be able to create a top-notch record with some sort of computer program easily enough.

I can't make a quality rap album.

I was talking about hip-hop.

But I can't make one of those either. A) I can't compose. B) I wouldn't want to if I could.

Stylistically its incredibly simple and boring. I don't find it enjoyable to listen to the same 2 chords played over a couple seconds repeated throughout an entire song with a vocal track overlaid on it. And I don't consider it a very high form of music.

But anyway, I can't sing worth a shit.

I have no compositional abilities, I'll admit that flat out. I can PLAY musical instruments, I'm fairly adept at that. I'm a pretty good Cellist, other instruments I pick up quickly. But I can't compose to save my life.

Some rap songs I actually like. Assuming I don't have my definitions mixed up as I said before.

Something doesn't fit.

Composing a song and listening to it are two completely different things.

I can what the composition of a song is made of. Doesn't mean I can MAKE anything.

Fits just fine.

But who knows. Maybe the stations I get around here just play the shittiest, most simplistic hip-hop they can possibly find.

So, you can't think of two chords, and then repeat them?

Ok, fine, I could do that. But would you consider that hip-hop? From what I've seen, I doubt it.

I don't know, maybe the radio stations in my area just play the shittiest hip-hop they can find. There might be better stuff.

The issue is whether YOU would consider it hip-hop. Again, I recommend browsing the Music Exposure Club so you can broaden you're definition a tad.

Next time I get hooked up on broadband (couple more days maybe?), I'll do exactly that. Any specific bands you want to recommend?

And yes, I'd consider that hip-hop from the songs *I* have heard before. I'd have to find someone else to do the vocals though :). I hurt my own ears when I try to sing.

Done and done.