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I poked it and it made a sad sound Jan 29, 2009 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Kishin (Post 677715)
I think that's one of the "main" questions the writers want to answer. I don't care why "the rules changed" when Charles killed Alex. I don't care why those two have manhate towards each other.
I am just sick of two men playing against each other with all sorts of mind games and pawns. Even if the tools involve mysterious, disappearing men in the jungle, smoke monsters, and time machines. If it all boils down to "these two are just holding a grudge" or "these two want control, and it is EPIC BATTLE," I am going to be so pissed.
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Also, a boring episode. Charlotte's nosebleed was curious enough, though. She seems to take this time travelling too seriously.
She needs a constant. /farraday

(Couldn't care less if the bitch dies. They're throwing in this sudden love story between her and Farraday. Useless. At this point, I hope they both croak. More about the survivors. Less about people who are suck.)

makura Jan 29, 2009 05:06 PM
Didn't last season they revealed that Charlotte was born on the island? She's been pretty useless this season so far, so I don't really care if she dies either. She's an anthropologist, so I thought she was picked to go to the Island to study the Natives or something. Just like how Faraday would study physics/time travel and Miles with talking to dead people (probably to make contact with Jacob.)

So Faraday's mother is in Los Angeles. Does anyone else think that she's...
Spoiler:
Ms. Hawking? The white-haired woman in the robe..

Also I'm speculating that Ms. Hawking was on the island before too.
She and Widmore are the only old people (other than Hurley's parents) that I know of on the show.
Could she be Ellie? That chick who held the rifle up to Faraday while he took a look at Jughead.
It seemed that she looked familiar to Faraday. And.. Ellie = Eloise? Maybe Faraday named his rat after his mom.


I think Ben and Widmore are jealous of Locke and are fighting to get back on the island and regain Jacob's love or something.

chaofan Jan 29, 2009 07:22 PM
Well, that episode was less entertaining than I thought it would be. This whole "island latched off time" thing isn't really working for me. Seems like a convenient way to answer the mysteries of the island... Which is probably the reason why Charlotte's become so useless.

The Faraday-fest so far in Season 5 is also a bit too much. From an awkward, nervous Physicist to a "leader" of sorts just seems really out of character. Granted, he's been the only one who knows what's going on so far... But too much of anything can be annoying.

Spoiler:
Desmond's kid Charlie... Hey island, the return of Dominic Monaghan plox? :D

chaofan Feb 5, 2009 07:45 AM
Meeeeh, don't like double posting ;__; but anyhoo, I think I'm starting to get into the swing of things for this Season. Today's episode wasn't too bad, and there were some interesting parts to take in and consider.

Spoiler:
The nosebleeds were startling. Need we more potentially dead characters? :gonk: While Juliet has been on the island for quite some time and thus was exposed to the island's radiation for a long time, I'm thinking Miles was the baby of Pierre Chang/Marvel Candle etc, explaining his nosebleed. Well, duh. The connection is pretty obvious :/

The quick gathering of the Oceanic 6 is a relief: at least the whole season won't be about them trying to get back, and I'm guessing they'll be home 1-2 episodes from now. Time for Sayid to bust Hurley out of jail, then.

Oh, and the return of Jin. Awesome. The return of Jin, seeing young Rosseau? Even better :D. The question, then, is why didn't old Rosseau recognize Jin? Or have the two never interacted in the previous seasons?


After being bombarded with Faraday for the past three weeks, it was good to see the other characters step up and the writers putting Faraday in the back for a little while. The lack of Desmond was a bummer, though :(

Put Balls Feb 5, 2009 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by chaofan (Post 679067)
Today's episode wasn't too bad, and there were some interesting parts to take in and consider.

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The question, then, is why didn't old Rosseau recognize Jin? Or have the two never interacted in the previous seasons?
I actually enjoyed this episode, a lot more than the beginning of the season. So much fun.

Rousseau did meet Jin after the plane crash. I don't remember how she reacted then, but most likely Rousseau's comeback was in the blueprints of the future episodes. She may have said something relatively odd when seeing Jin in the present.

I poked it and it made a sad sound Feb 5, 2009 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by chaofan (Post 679067)
Time for Sayid to bust Hurley out of jail, then.

Spoiler:
I'm guessing you missed the bit where Ben and "his lawyer" worked out the paperwork so that Hurley won't make it to prison, the judge will toss the case, and Hurley will be a free man.

No effort needed on behalf of Sayid.

chaofan Feb 5, 2009 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Sassafrass (Post 679120)
Spoiler:
I'm guessing you missed the bit where Ben and "his lawyer" worked out the paperwork so that Hurley won't make it to prison, the judge will toss the case, and Hurley will be a free man.

No effort needed on behalf of Sayid.
Oh yes, completely forgot about that part. Well, at least the gathering of the O6 will happen sooner.

Although, another question just popped up: just who were the other canoe people? My guess is that with the time jumps, we'll never know again. Others? Perhaps the O6 themselves?

Sometimes I feel that the "time skipping" device they've used is a cheap way to replace "flashbacks", but whatever. They work, and we're finally gonna get some young Danielle answers :cmb:

Krelian Feb 5, 2009 08:56 PM
What with all the time-jumping malarkey and the show's propensity for CRAZY TWISTS :O, I wouldn't be too surprised if the people shooting at them from the other canoe were friendlies. Or even themselves.

I'm VERY interested as to who the hell the canoes belong to, though. Another new faction? What, so that makes:

The Flight 815 survivors
The Others
The Dharma Initiative
Widmore's mercenaries
The island's "natives"
The company of soldiers Widmore was a member of in the 50s (unless they're native to the island, too. Who knows? They heeded Richard and spoke Latin...)
These new fuckers
And whoever Matthew Abbadon represents. That's pretty much the most compelling mystery for me at the moment.

Apparently this episode was the debut of a new writer... I thought it was nicely pulled-off. Far better-paced than 5x3 was, at least. Nice to see Jin survived the Kahana explosion (and that he was within the Island's radius when Ben worked his magic down in the Orchid).

killerpineapple Feb 5, 2009 10:30 PM
My guess was that the Daniel-Charlotte love thing was Daniel's way to provide Charlotte with a constant. As if he didn't really love her, but wanted her to fall in love with him for her own safety.

On another note; My friend theorized that these time jumps might give us a glimpse of who was on board The Black Rock (That old old ship with the dynamite) His theory...
Spoiler:
Richard was a pirate captain.

I dunno, I guess that would be cool. Hmm...

Krelian Feb 5, 2009 10:34 PM
I figure one of the time-jumping adventures will show the four-toed foot statue intact. They can't not pull something like that; it's given the writers a huge window for exploring the island's history.

e: Oh yeah, just remembered. A new DHARMA logo apparently made its debut in the premiere.

http://to.all.the.people.in.the.fron...e_logo-2da.jpg

chaofan Feb 12, 2009 11:24 AM
A wild ride, today's episode, but so far one of the best for Season 5. It seems like the story's just picked up even more pace and character development left at a minimum, but whatever. What a rockin' episode:

Spoiler:

Smokey.

Okay, perhaps I should elaborate on how it was cool. Actually, I can't, but any episode featuring Smokey is automatically awesome. We finally got to see Rousseau's back-story and the breakdown of the French team, although as I commented before, the island jumps seem too fragmented. Trying to fit other story elements in the episode cut Rousseau's flashback a little too soon and that was disappointing. :/

Perhaps Danielle's paranoia led her to think Jin was an illusion, and thus not recognizing him as part of the Crash Survivors?

What a way to go, Ben. After such an effort to recruit everyone at the same spot, he ended up with just Jack, Sun and Desmond. One thing that interests me, though, is how those three "would have to do for now", according to Eloise (who, wahey, is Faraday's mother... Predictably). Didn't Ben have to recruit everyone back?

In regards to Charlotte, apparently the Freighter Folks' backstories were supposed to be told last Season but cut due the strike. It seemed to me she pretty much summed up what needed to be said with her conscious going back and forth... but, poor Rebecca Mader. :S

Last but not least, the scene with Christian and Locke was fascinating. Locke was supposed to turn the wheel rather than Ben? What's that all about? Moreover, this scene seemed a little "Christian-y" ('scuse the pun), with the "sacrifice", the supposed "death" of Locke and a possible resurrection? Who knows. Regardless, it was another element that made this episode full of win, negating all the disappointing bits that popped up here and there.


Next week seems to be all about the Oceanic 6. While this season's Oceanic stories have been kinda boring so far, the preview hyped it for me like hell. Will they actually be getting back on that island next week? :O

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makura Feb 19, 2009 02:22 PM
No one likes Lost anymore?

I was surprised they didn't spend a few more episodes trying to get the survivors back to the island. I'm glad it's sped up a bit to keep the pace going, but I do wonder how Kate, Sayid, and Hurley managed to get on the plane. They didn't look too happy, so maybe they were threatened to do so somehow.

I was expecting Locke's letter to say something like "do not bring Ben!!" And when Jack reads it, it'd already be too late.

At first I thought the guy in the VW was Roger Workman, but it's Jin with the suit on and everything. It seems like he's working for Dharma (time period probably around the time we saw Faraday searching for the Frozen donkey wheel stuck in the wall.) Did Faraday somehow fix the time flashes? I guess we'll find out next week..

I liked the addition of the temple last week, adds more mystery to the island's past.
And I cheered when Charlotte died.

I poked it and it made a sad sound Feb 19, 2009 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by striped phantom (Post 682940)
I was expecting Locke's letter to say something like "do not bring Ben!!" And when Jack reads it, it'd already be too late.
Ahahhaa, I was thinking something similar. "DON'T GET ON THE PLANE!"

You know, I really enjoyed how everyone was going to get back to the island. I liked the process. I was PISSED, however, that they didn't spend the past few goddamn episodes expanding on it. Hurley gets locked up and BAM magically out with hardly any court time, apparently. It's like they wasted a lot of time with these stupid subplots that ended up (presumably) being inconsequential. Like the whole Ben stealing Aaron thing. Ugh.

I enjoyed last night's episode if only because Jack, Kate and Hurley made it back to the island. I was happy to see them back.

I am a little upset about Locke, though. MAGIC ZOMBIE LOCKE.

And the TEMPLES? What the hell. Our survivors have been all over that island and they never saw ruins before.

I regret being a LOST fan sometimes, I really do.

Krelian Feb 19, 2009 05:43 PM
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And the TEMPLES? What the hell. Our survivors have been all over that island and they never saw ruins before.
Well, there have been a few instances...

http://to.all.the.people.in.the.fron...tled-1-76a.jpg
http://to.all.the.people.in.the.fron...statue-cec.jpg

I'm assuming the main reason we'd not seen the temple previously is down to it being in what Rousseau called "dark territory" - which, aside from their trip to the Black Rock back in season one, the survivors stayed the hell away from.

This week's ep was decent. I'm a little miffed at Hurley et al turning up with no explanation, but I'm sure they'll develop on that later. Ben had some fucking awesome moments, too. Probably the most interesting plot point so far is the existence of a Dharma station in LA - could mean that there are others elsewhere in the world...

Also, it seems Jin's jumpsuit was emblazoned with yet another new Dharma logo:

http://to.all.the.people.in.the.fron...Sherif-2c4.jpg

I poked it and it made a sad sound Feb 19, 2009 05:57 PM
You know, I totally forgot about the "dark territory." That could explain it. I concede.

Additionally, what was the madness Rousseau's partners suffered from? Was that explained in any coherent fashion? I may have missed it.

Jessykins Feb 19, 2009 06:14 PM
I heard a theory, wild or inplausible as it may be, that the reason Ben is bloody and exhausted (and by a shipyard, it seemed) is that he went to kill Desmond's sweet Penneh. Vengeance could be a reason to explain how Desmond may head back to the island.

I am pretty interested in next week's episode, myself. I was wondering if they'd explain what Locke was up to when he got back to the states. Or, you know, if he comes back.

Cellius Feb 20, 2009 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Tentacle Rapist (Post 682990)
I heard a theory, wild or inplausible as it may be, that the reason Ben is bloody and exhausted (and by a shipyard, it seemed) is that he went to kill Desmond's sweet Penneh.
Well, what else would it have been? He promised Widmore he'd kill his daughter, and now here he is telling telling Jack he has a promise to keep and is going to tie up some loose ends.

Sousuke Feb 20, 2009 01:45 PM
I'm curious about Kate and Aaron, actually. Why'd she freak out like that when Jack asked her what happened? What exactly did happen to Aaron? Apparently he didn't go back to the island, in any case...

As for Rousseau's colleagues, they [Lindelof et al] explained in an interview somewhere that while in the Temple, Smokey somehow changed them. "And not for the better," was the exact line they used.

Krelian Feb 20, 2009 06:58 PM
Well, we know Locke was "changed" by his encounter with the monster back in S1.

We also know that he saw it as a bright light, which is odd.

Majin yami Feb 20, 2009 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Cellius (Post 683200)
Well, what else would it have been? He promised Widmore he'd kill his daughter, and now here he is telling telling Jack he has a promise to keep and is going to tie up some loose ends.
The only thing that I can see that would stop it being that is that unless Penny packs one hell of a punch then I don't see why he'd be all beaten and bloody. If Desmond (or maybe one of Widmore's goons) was there then there's no way he'd have made it out of there alive.

chaofan Feb 20, 2009 10:59 PM
The lack of explanation detailing how Hurley and Sayid ended on the Ajira flight might also have to do with the fact that next week's episode was actually supposed to be shown this week. Maybe not, but in any case next week looks to be pretty crazy.

Glad that Jack, Kate and Hurley are back on the island, but as Kate asked, "Where's Sun, Sayid and Ben?" We'll have to wait a fornight (and possibly more) for that :(.

Put Balls Feb 26, 2009 11:00 AM
Delicious death scene of the annoying village idiot. I liked this week's episode solely because of that. Everything-Locke is complete bullshit and I've hated his ass from the beginning of the series.

At least this explains Locke's letter (which I didn't care about, though), but otherwise it was pointless to air even a minute of this shite.

Wall Feces Feb 26, 2009 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Kishin (Post 684712)
At least this explains Locke's letter (which I didn't care about, though), but otherwise it was pointless to air even a minute of this shite.
While I don't agree with your hatred for Locke, I agree full-heartedly that this episode was 100% useless. The only thing that was awesome about this episode was when Ben killed him. Fucking EPIC twist right there. Also, the scene with Locke and Jack was beautiful. Matthew Fox does have some acting chops, but 99% of the time he's given such shitty material that he just comes off as the whiny cunt who I've hated for as long as I can remember.

Killing off Abbadon was retarded. They'd better do some more explaining of him through flashback, because otherwise one of the more mysterious figures of the show just got an incredibly untimely death.

I poked it and it made a sad sound Feb 26, 2009 12:03 PM
I'm glad I'm not (AGAIN) being a cynical ass about this week's episode. Useless.

It was nice to see Walt again, though. My GOD has he grown.

I am a little upset that they just murdered Helen, too. Maybe she's alive? Maybe it's a ploy? I liked Helen. ;_;

So what did we learn this episode? That Ben is a prick. WHAT ELSE IS NEW.

I don't have any hate for Locke. I like him. I dislike Jack a lot. I just wish Sawyer would shoot everyone and declare himself King of the Island and take Kate and put her in the cages again.

Teioh Feb 26, 2009 12:37 PM
Tonights episode wasn't useful but it had some strong minutes. Watching a Locke episode was nice again and that together with an interview with Michael Emerson just made me think of something I need to put to text
Spoiler:

Did anybody read the summary to that interview Lost Spoilers - The Ultimate Lost Spoiler Site: Michael Emerson Interview ? Now I know parent issues aren't new to Lost but I'm feeling there's more to the children thing that Michael Emerson mentioned. The others almost look like a group of orphans to me. Not one of them is young, but that's cause they stopped aging at a certain time (maybe when they lost their parents?). It's notable that the others made Ben kill his father, as they wanted John Locke to kill his. They only accepted them when they chose to live on as orphans, so to speak.

In the end, does it surprise that Jacob acts like a father figure, especially when you take into consideration his *close* connection with Christian Sheppard.
I'm 100% sure there's more to all of this. And I'm sorry if I'm coming up with something old but I don't read theories.


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