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Bradylama May 30, 2006 03:42 AM
Nonono, silly girl. It hasn't failed to provide key plot points, it's up to the viewers to decide!

Nightcrawler who?

Soldier May 30, 2006 03:44 AM
I know the game was supposed to reveal why Nightcrawler isn't in X-men 3, but what was the real reason? Internal conflicts, or was Ratner simply incompetent to realize he was the most well received X-man from the previous movie?

Also, could someone tell me what reason the game gives for Nightcrawler's no-show in X3 (so I don't have to play it)?

Bradylama May 30, 2006 03:50 AM
Apparently leaked versions of the script had two cameos from Gambit. Really, though, who gives a fuck? There's nothing else to suggest his absence other than a lame commercialization tie-in.

It's plot-critical! You have to buy it!

Furby May 30, 2006 03:52 AM
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I think the problem with that argument is we really don't know when Xavier started performing his mind block procedures. We aren't given a peak into Jean growing up. Phoenix could have manifested afterwards but we just don't know. Again this movie seriously lacks follow through on its storylines.

The movie did lack quite a bit when it comes to filling in the plot holes.

jPokalypse May 30, 2006 04:07 AM
Had they cut the ridiculous lines like "She was enclosed in a sphere of psychokinetic energy" and "We're X-men", and use the time to explain the plot better. They also did an extremely bad job animating the atomization which (as powerful as she is) is the only thing phoenix can do. It just looks like they made millions of triangles of random colours at random places and rendered them.

Bradylama May 30, 2006 04:09 AM
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the only thing phoenix can do.
Other than the levitation, and the massive destruction of property. That was El nino.

Misogynyst Gynecologist May 30, 2006 07:52 AM
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The movie did lack quite a bit when it comes to filling in the plot holes.
Here, lets me a list of obvious things that the movie did not cover

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*Who's the genius who ships Mystique in a GIANT METAL CONTAINER, and is escorted by several VERY METAL CARS? You're telling me the govenment is smart enough to make plastic guns but not to find an alternate method of prisoner movement?

*Why kill Jean? Why didn't Logan approach her and stab her with one of the Cure vials?

*Why does Jean syphon off Scott's life? Thats Rogue's schtick, isn't it?

*How is it that Juggernaut can run through 15 walls but when he comes to Leech, he runs full speed into one and more or less bounces off it with narry a scratch to the wall?

*Why is it sunset when the Golden Gate bridge is moving but when Magneto and his cronies line up to attack, it looks like its 10 pm?

*A lot of mutants have jumping powers - did it strike anyone as odd that all of Mangeto's "pawns" jumped REALLY far during the attack on Alcatraz?

*The whole "class 3" thing wasn't explained at all. Not only was it fuckin 12 year old mentality that decided someone should come up with a RATING SYSTEM FOR MUTANT POWERS, how would anyone outside of the government know about it? I don't think Calysto looks the type for pants suits and good manners.

*Why was Jean horny for Logan? She wasn't that way with Scott. Not to mention, you'd think if some undead girl scratches you deep enough to leave perverbial claw marks, theres something more going on than just kinky sex.

*Why did the X-Jet have a cloaking device? What is this, TITAN AE? And if they had a cloaking device - why did they use it only just before landing?

*Why did they put in Kitty Pryde? Garish pesimism tells me that its because someone at FOX wants to swap about the Famke Jansons for more appearances by Jojo as a mighty Marvel mutant. Kitty - a character I've come to like over the years - is treated as nothing more than a 13 year old sex object by Bobby Drake and the audience. All she does is attempt to fill Anna Paquin's boobs, er, boots and while your preference in girls is your own, Anna has an Oscar while the other girl has no name as far as I know.

*Did the Danger Room take anyone else out of the movie? I mean, yeah, jets coming out of basketball courts aint exactly real either - but jets exist in real life - something Bryan Singer seemed to be driving into our skulls the first two movies. However, big holographic robots don't really work. They don't exist. Not to mention, putting in a Sentinel is just fuckin masturbative.

*Okay, so Jean kills the Professor. I'd've liked to have seen some FUCKING VENGENCE from Magneto. Sure, Jean had him telepathically pinned to the sink but that doesn't mean he can't use his powers.

*Why was R Lee Ermey's disembodied voice in this movie?

JazzFlight May 30, 2006 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by LeHah
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*Why kill Jean? Why didn't Logan approach her and stab her with one of the Cure vials?
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Well, I believe the vial would have just disintegrated in Wolverine's hands, much like his clothing, skin and muscles.

I agree that there should have been a scene where he picks up a few darts, and as he makes his way to her they crack and dissolve. The only thing strong enough to take her down is his adamantium skeleton and his regenerative properties.

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*How is it that Juggernaut can run through 15 walls but when he comes to Leech, he runs full speed into one and more or less bounces off it with narry a scratch to the wall?
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Wasn't it obvious? He lost his powers once he came near Leech.

Misogynyst Gynecologist May 30, 2006 08:23 AM
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Wasn't it obvious? He lost his powers once he came near Leech.
That doesn't account for the wall being untouched after he ran into it.

quazi May 30, 2006 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by LeHah
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*A lot of mutants have jumping powers - did it strike anyone as odd that all of Mangeto's "pawns" jumped REALLY far during the attack on Alcatraz?
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Magneto's army was rather pointless. Beyond 4 or so mutants, none of them had any powers to speak of besides that initial jump. They jump down from the Golden Gate bridge and then start fist fighting soldiers with guns. Am I the only one who could see MST3K ripping the shit out of this movie?

Bradylama May 30, 2006 01:36 PM
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That doesn't account for the wall being untouched after he ran into it.
Well, Juggernaut's power is that he's unstoppable. When his power was based on the magical properties of the whatever crystal, it was halfway believeable in that metaphysical sense in that he could defy physics. All of these comic movies are going with the Ultimate Marvel version of things, though, so Juggernaut is a mutant. If Leech is around to suck out his mutant powers, then Juggernaut loses all of his inertia. He wasn't really running that fast to begin with.

I don't know how, though, the X gene would allow him to build up an unlimited amount of force.

Misogynyst Gynecologist May 30, 2006 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Bradylama
Well, Juggernaut's power is that he's unstoppable. When his power was based on the magical properties of the whatever crystal, it was halfway believeable in that metaphysical sense in that he could defy physics. All of these comic movies are going with the Ultimate Marvel version of things, though, so Juggernaut is a mutant. If Leech is around to suck out his mutant powers, then Juggernaut loses all of his inertia. He wasn't really running that fast to begin with.
That still doesn't explain the lack of effect on the wall. If anyone runs at a wall and hits it, they're bound to dent or scuff it. Not to mention, "dickhead" had a giant metal helmet on to boot.

Slash May 30, 2006 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SOLDIER
I know the game was supposed to reveal why Nightcrawler isn't in X-men 3, but what was the real reason? Internal conflicts, or was Ratner simply incompetent to realize he was the most well received X-man from the previous movie?

Also, could someone tell me what reason the game gives for Nightcrawler's no-show in X3 (so I don't have to play it)?

I think I remember hearing/reading something about Alan Cumming not wanting to be in the third movie or something...I'm glad he didn't because i didn't really like the movie. The whole two different "love" triangles got annoying not to mention how did all this class 3 and class 5 stuff start? So what...are we going to have Super Mutant Level 5 or something?

Bradylama May 30, 2006 02:32 PM
Super Mutant Sayaijin 3! BULGE GURK FLEX

Juggernaut will send you to the next dimension!

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That still doesn't explain the lack of effect on the wall
If it was a drywall, you're probably right. I think it was, even. You'd think the walls in Alcatraz would me made of stronger stuff, though.

SketchTheArtist May 30, 2006 02:34 PM
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You'd think the walls in Alcatraz would me made of stronger stuff, though.
They're made out of candies man! Get your facts right!

Furby May 30, 2006 02:44 PM
I always thought that Juggernaut wasn't a mutant, I thought he gained his power from a different way, at least in the old cartoon he did..

Misogynyst Gynecologist May 30, 2006 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Bradylama
If it was a drywall, you're probably right. I think it was, even. You'd think the walls in Alcatraz would me made of stronger stuff, though.
I've done more running headbutts on school lockers to know that the wall would've had a dent in it.

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I always thought that Juggernaut wasn't a mutant, I thought he gained his power from a different way, at least in the old cartoon he did..
Correct - Juggernaut got his powers from a mystical gem.

Tomzilla May 30, 2006 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Furby
I always thought that Juggernaut wasn't a mutant, I thought he gained his power from a different way, at least in the old cartoon he did..
It would've been funny if he revealed that his powers were mystical after crushing Shadowcat and Leech. Hell, the movie was already screwed up, why not?

speculative May 30, 2006 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by LeHah
That still doesn't explain the lack of effect on the wall. If anyone runs at a wall and hits it, they're bound to dent or scuff it. Not to mention, "dickhead" had a giant metal helmet on to boot.
Juggernaut must weigh, without his "inertia" power, at least 300 lbs. He wouldn't have lost inertia just because Leech drained his powers. Realistically, he would've kept going through at least the first wall he hit until the natural laws of physics stopped him, since there was no "opposing force" pushing back at him.

Really, you have to look past silly stuff like that, though, and just take the film for what it is.

Acro-nym May 30, 2006 05:49 PM
Theoretically, since the walls did look they were made of giant squares (of unknown matieral), they could have been too sturdy for him to go through under normal laws of physics. (It's really hard for me to comment on this because it's one of the most bogus powers, mutant or otherwise, I've encountered.)

Misogynyst Gynecologist May 30, 2006 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Devo
According to Marve,l Juggernaut weighs 900 lbs.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Juggernaut_(Cain_Marko)
Marvel and movie continuity are not the same


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